Friday, September 29, 2006

IDF does NOT = Zionism

Being a soldier in the Israeli army does not mean you have any particular Hashkafa. An apikores is someone with a heretical Hashkafa, which one can have whether in the army or not. In fact, Belz, very Torahdik and anti-Zionist in their Hashkofos, (Rav Yisochor Dov ZTL was one of the leading fighters against Zionism and Zionists) is well represented in the Israeli army. While it is true, I imagine, in general that Zionists by virtue of their Hashkafa would serve in the Israeli army, the converse is not true, that all people who serve in the Israeli army are Zionists.

We must pray for Hashem's protection for the Israeli soldiers, together with all acheinu bnei yisroel hanesunim batzarah. And we must do what is in our power to protect them, whether it be donating bullet-proof vests, or praying, or whatever, to protect them. On the contrary, it is a terrible thing the Zionists did by creating a situation where we have to have Jewish Neshomos put in danger to fight wars. When Ben Gurion sr"y asked the Chazon Ish, if you were the Prime Minister of Israel, would you arm our soldiers with guns or Gemorahs, the Chazon Ish answered that if not for the Zionists, we wouldn't need guns.

However, there are Zionists who believe, in their twisted thinking, that it is worth it for Jewish lives to be spilled in order for there to be a State of Israel. This is terrible cruelty. Even if the State of Israel would not be a terrible violation of the ratzon Hashem, even if it would be a positive thing, it would not be worth even one Jewish life. The discounting of Jewish blood by Zionists in this way is unforgivable.

Rabbi Aryeh Ginsberg, a Rabbi in New York, related how he saw Rav Shach go through an operation on his foot without anesthesia, because he did not want to be groggy when he gave shiur afterwards. He endured the entire operation without one hint of the pain he was going through. Such was his control.

Yet, the same Rabbi, a short while later, was present when Rav Shach received news of the fatal crash of an Israeli Army helicopter.

Rav Shach broke down, crying hysterically.

That is how a true Torah Jew views things.

Being in the army is not the same as being in the government. They may be fighting wars that they shouldn’t be fighting, true, but if the Zionists cause a war, then, ex post facto, it doesn't make you a modeh b'avodah zorah if you say to yourself, if I don't fight in this illegal war, more Jews will be killed. The question is not whether being in the army is wrong or right or whether the wars are wrong or right, the question is whether being a soldier makes you an Apikores. It doesn't.

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Tuesday, August 29, 2006

Rallies II

Most Rabbis don’t endorse these rallies at all. Of the handful that did, some (such as Rav Henoch Lebowitz) regretted the endorsement when they heard what the rally was "really" going to be. So there definitely was misinformation fed to the esteemed rabbis, which means you have to know what exactly they believed they were endorsing. Ask them if they endorsed Booing Paul Wolfowitz off the stage, or if they endorsed their Talmidim standing there with the half naked men and women.

Also, Rav Shach ZTL writes in his letters that the concept of Hisgaros B'Umos - not demanding things of the nations - is "unknown even to many great torah scholars and Tzadikim".

Beyond that, you'd have to ask them what their rationale was. I can't speak for other people, and I do not want to put words in their mouth.

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Without your particular rally nobody suddenly finds themselves in mortal danger. Nobody will say that without that rally, we do not need a miracle but with that rally now we are safe.

If your rally is so powerful, why only one? Why not another, every month? Or week? If it's really sofek nefashos, why not demand that everyone take off from work, come from all over the world, and why only for a few hours? Wouldn't it make a bigger impact if we were there every day?? And how about emails? Why aren't we demanding that everyone take off from work and school to send emails all day to Washington - that’s hishtadlus too, right? And if it's safek nefashos you should do it on Shabbos as well!

Who decided that specifically this rally and that time and place fulfills the requirements of safek nefashos - and that more rallies aren't still required for safek nefashos? If so, when? Where? How?

Please. Obviously nobody can claim that any individual hishtadlus such as this is required as safek nefashos. We hope it does something, but halachicly nobody is going to obligated to violate Shabbos to come to this rally, and not having the rally would not suddenly mean we now need a miracle (but thank g-d for the rally! Now we don’t need a miracle anymore?!??!)

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Gays are enemies of G-d (i.e. those who flaunt their gayness), and we do not join with G-d's enemies to rally against our other enemies.

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It's hard for me to explain why those Rabbis encouraged the rally since I was one of those who didn't see their reasoning from the get go. But "kshaim sh'ain pirtzufayhem shavos kach ain deoseihem shavos". This is not a sheailah that you can look into the Kitzur Shulchan Aruch and see black on white. It involves trusting different people who tell you different things about what’s going to happen if they don’t have the rally or if they do etc etc. It involves not only understanding of right and wrong but applying it in the situation, in which you have to relay on information of parties with various vested interests.

There were a small number of esteemed rabbonim who said it’s OK to go to the rally, and perhaps even encouraged it. I know Rav Henoch Lebowitz at first backed it then found out more information about what the rally really was, and then retracted his support. One of the posters on the boards said their Rosh Yeshiva was there, and when he saw the Pritzus commented that he could see why someone would not allow people to go because of it. It could be some rabbis were equally under-informed or misinformed. Or it could be they felt it was going to help save Jewish lives. What you have to do is ask them now, after the rally happened, if they would still back it now that they know all the information.

If they still do, they're entitled to their opinion, some of those who were listed as backing the rally (such as Rav Zelik Epstein and Rav Feivel Cohen) are very big rabbanim. But I still side with those who were against.

Avi Shafran is a PR guy. That's his official position. He's neither the representative nor the messenger of Daas Torah in the world. That includes the Agudah's Daas Torah (things he has said have in the past been retracted and castigated by the Agudah itself).

Opposition to the rally was based on the following factors:

1) All such rallies constitute hisgarus b'umos - confrontation against the goyim. To demand things from the Goyim is against the Torah. The Jewish way is to plead, ask, and bow our heads. We make no demands in Golus. Rav Shach writes that to tell the Goyim "Jerusalem is ours!" for instance, is a violation of Hisgarus B'Umos. We have no right in Golus to demand anything of the nations. So to run around with signs and demands about what we say must be done, is only going to backfire against us, as Chazal have said.

2) The rally was open-ended as far as what it was rallying for. For the policies of the Israeli government? For the occupation? For the right to do whatever? Or what? Not everything Israel does should we support. You can't rally if they refuse to tell you what you are rallying for - you don’t want to support the wrong thing.

3) The rally was interdenominational, meaning, it recognized Conservative, Reform and Reconstructionists rabbis as "rabbis", even giving them the honor of leading the masses in saying Tehillim. Such recognition is not acceptable regardless of the cause. If the chief rabbi of NAMBLA (an organized organization for child molesters - I'm not kidding) who was a child molester himself and preached the holiness of molesting children were to be honored with leading the Tehillim, nobody would have gone. What Reform rabbis represent is similarly reprehensible, and we should have no part of it.

4) The pritzus at the rally was unacceptable. Pritzus causes the deaths of Jews, never mind is halachicly forbidden, so who is to say that the rally did more good than bad in heaven?

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I didn't go to the rally. First, I hold I can do more here with Torah and Tefilah. Second, nobody revealed what was going to be said at the rally, who was going to speak, and what exactly they were going to tell Washington that they support. To support Israel, of course, but in what? Not to make a Palestinian State? Not to give back any land? To throw the Arabs out of Israel? To make more settlements? What? Would there be non-Orthodox rabbis speaking? What will they say?

I tried to find out, but nobody seemed to know what exactly the rally was going to support. It wasn't organized by Torah organizations but rather secular ones, so who knows what the agenda was? How in the world can I go to a rally where I don’t know whether they will be rallying for something good or not?

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It is arrogant to think that only YOU have the right to decide what Klall Yisroel should do, and that whoever disagrees with you is guilty of divisiveness. The reality is, those who did not go to the rally held the rally was not the right thing to do. So in the interest of Achdus, you could have not gone to the rally, and then nobody would be divided. Right?

It's amazing how people think that they have a right to tell other people what they should think believe and do.

And I never said that we should not do Histadlus. And of course we should do whatever possible to protect the lives of Yidden in Eretz Yisroel, and France, and all over the world. But NOT everything all our "brothers and sisters" in Eretz Yisroel are doing should we support - I am sure you do not agree with everything that the government is does, or every idea that is espoused in the Knesset - and nobody revealed which acts or ideas the rally was going to support - plus, there are different ways to show support. Not everyone has to agree that your way is the right one or the best one.

You can't expect to make a rally, not tell anyone what you are rallying about, what the speakers are going to say, or even who they will be (Orthodox? Conservative? Reform? Kahanist? Left? Right? What?), and then accuse them of divisiveness when they don't go.

Divisiveness, rather, comes because people have the mistaken misguided idea unity means everyone has to think and do as you do.

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Who can say that sight of the rally was worth it? Perhaps the time they would have spent learning or saying Tehillim would have been more valuable than seeing this sight?

The determination of what is worth our time, and how we can best spend that time must be made by Torah criteria, not by our own emotions.

Incidentally, the Agudah's position on the rally was neutrality - neither for nor against. But the Agudah is an organization, not a person. When you say "The Agudah" did this or that, you have to know who in the Agudah you are talking about. If the laypeople in the Agudah come out for or against something, it means nothing - they are no more Torah authorities than any other Baalei Batim anywhere. If the Rabbonim come out for or against something, then it is because those people are Rabbonim that their opinion carried weight. And so, other Rabbonim of qualified stature may agree or disagree. Jews follow Rabbonim, regardless of their organizational affiliation.

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Who arranged the rally is a mystery - a dozen people or posters said a dozen different things. One poster on these boards said it was the OU. Whoever it was, they were purposely left unpublicized in order to get "all denominations" of Jewry to support the rally.

In any case, Orthodox Conservative and Reform "rabbis" all were invited to come, to bring their congregations, and even to lead. Had they invited a Jewish Nazi or child molester to lead the Tehillim everyone would have walked out. Achdus with such people is not proper. And although it is true that the congregants of the Reform rabbis are innocent victims of their teachings, the rabbis themselves are the molesters of their congregations. And it's worse than if he were a criminal, because here it is his crime that actually makes him a rabbi! It’s like as if there were a group of Jews who believe it is a religious duty to molest children. Would you attend a rally where those kind of "rabbis" were asked to participate, with their congregations, and even to lead services?

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Rallies I

[These are comments Rav Moderator made on various Pro-Israel rallies -taon]

The rally was encouraged by a number of Rabbonim, and discouraged by others.

The reasons were basically, first and foremost, we can accomplish more for our people by praying and learning. It was also unclear what exactly the message was to Washington? Support Israel, for sure, but how exactly? Don’t give back land? Don’t make a Palestinian State? All of the above? What politically should be done in Israel is not black and white, and the opinions of our Gedolim do not coincide on this issue with the opinions of those who organized the rally. The difference between this rally and let’s say the rally to bomb the tracks to the concentration camps or to let Jews leave Russia, this one had a political message which we may or may not want to support.

Of course unity is a wonderful thing, but why is anybody bound in the name of unity to do what the people who made the rally say we should do? Perhaps in the interest of unity, they change their course of action, and be unified with those who say not to make the rally?

People seem to feel that if a group of Jews do something, everyone else has to jump to do it too, or else they are making an "anti-achdus" statement. This is not true. People think that "If you don’t do what I want, you’re anti-achdus". Well, maybe you should do what the other guy wants or you’ll be anti-achdus. People disagree on methods of doing things. this rally was a good example. There were good rabbonim on both sides of the issue. But neither side has any privileged status that whatever they believe must be adhered to.

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I personally told people not to go, as I agreed with those that discouraged it.

Plus, even if a Rabbi encourages it in general, he will likely not want Yeshiva Bochurim there, as learning Torah accomplishes a lot more than rallies - the encouragement was for the Baalie Batim.

Then of course, there is the issue that the rally was mixed, with much pritzus, which is the opposite of a Kiddush Hashem.

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The attribution of a lack of care for the death of Jews due to lack of Zionism in the Chareidi world is not only baseless, it's insane to anybody who takes a moment to think objectively.

It ignores not only logic, but the screams and shouts orally and in writing of our Gedolim and lay leaders regarding these issues, which are all on public record.

It is particularly absurd considering that one of the main Chareidi claims against the Zionists is that acquiring and maintaining a State costs lives of thousands of Jews. It was the Satmar Rav who said in Al Hageulah that "there is no permit to allow the death of even one Jew for the sake of the State"; whereas it is Rav Soloveichik who said in Five Addresses if the State is religious, all the sacrifices of life for it "are worthwhile."

As far as Rodfim go, it was Rav Elchonon Wasserman ZTL who ruled that the Zionist extremists who use terror to strike back against Arab terror are Halachic Rodfim, since they merely instigate the Arabs to greater levels of hate.

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The question is, who says your Hishtadlus is the correct one? Making rallies and asserting our demands to Washington is not the Jewish way. It does not help us, and only serves to cause more anti-semitism in the world. Jews are supposed to quietly importune the nations for help, not to openly declare our "rights." This type of Hishtadlus is not productive and only serves to hurt us.

Second, there is plenty of Hishtadlus done that the rally will not make the difference between relying on a Nes as opposed to nature. This rally is not the only Hishtadlus in the world, and not participating in it does not mean you're doing nothing.

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Your rally is not going to be the make it or break it for Jewish lives. Not even as a safek. The politicians in Washington know that the Jews support Israel; the polls and the voters wishes are what they know more than anything else.

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Saying Tehillim is a religious act. A Reconstructionist rabbi led the tehillim because he is a rabbi. That is a religious statement. "This man is a rabbi." Such a statement - implied or stated, is Kefirah. If you notice, the Jews for Jesus were not represented, an their "rabbis" (or Messianic rabbis) were not invited. Clearly, there was a decision that these people are "rabbis", representing "factions" of Judaism, and others are not. That is something I cannot join.

A Reform rabbi on Long Island used the rally to "prove" that the Orthodox really recognize them. His moshol was, a guy is in a life raft lost at sea. He prays to his god, the raft starts leaking. So he starts praying to another god. Then he sees sharks, so he keeps changing gods till he gets saved. Same thing with the Orthodox. they first say we (Reform) are not rabbis, but when they see they’re in trouble they invite us "as rabbis" to their rally.

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Kiddush Hashem means people doing a Mitzvah in public. Unless you establish that this is a Mitzvah, you cannot call it a Kiddush Hashem. In fact, the mingling of men and women, the pritzus, are all things that G-d hates. A public display of that is the opposite of Kiddush Hashem.

And --- this is important -- the booing of Paul Wolfowitz was a big Chilul Hashem. All the man said was that there are innocent Palestinians dying - which is of course true - babies included - he did not say anything pro-palestinian or against Israel. And he was booed off stage.

A paper in Italy derived from that, that Jews only care about innocent lives if those lives are Jewish.

That's what happens by these rallies, that are not representative of Daas Torah but rather political positions. We cannot have non-religious, non-Torah Jews representing Klall Yisroel. Who knows what they will say, what they will do? Yet that is exactly what happens at such rallies. You can never control what will be said, and what is said is NOT measured according to Daas Torah but rather according to non-religious ideas of what should and should not be said.

I cannot be part of that.

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Nissim and Zionism

Zionists will tell you that creating the State of Israel is hishtadlus to protect Jews from anti-semitism, that we may not rely on "miracles" and we have to have our own State, army, and political structure in order to survive.

Then they will tell you that the survival of the State of Israel is such a great miracle, that miracles of such magnitude have never happened in Golus, that Israel surrounded by all those enemies could not survive one week, the IDF could not win a single war the way they did, if not for Miracles by G-d.

WHAT KIND OF HISHTADLUS IS IT THAT YOU NEED MASSIVE MIRACLES TO PREVENT YOU FROM BEING WIPED OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH IN A WEEK?!

The State of Israel, according to the Zionists, is the biggest example of "somchim al hanes" that exists. If indeed you need miracles to survive, then you are obligated to get out of there, because you are not allowed to rely on miracles!

(The truth is, both statements are false: Israel's existence is not a miracle at all, and the State does not protect us form our enemies, it just makes us more vulnerable to them - more Jews are killed in the "protective State" than everywhere else in the world put together, never mind all the anti-semitism that Israel has caused in throughout the world.)

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The Gemora is replete with miracles done for idol worshipers and enemies of Hashem. The Arabs can tell you of equal or better miracles done for them. Arafat's plane crashes in or about 1995 (I forget exactly), all passengers in the plane are killed immediately, but he walks out unscathed. I guess G-d approves of Arafat.

The Dor Haflaga shot arrows into the sky to "kill" Hashem. The arrows, the Medrash says, came down dripping with blood. They archers thought they wounded Hashem.

This was a miracle, obviously. Not kishef - for the archers themselves were the ones fooled. But the rule is, "haba l'tameh poschin lo" - Hashem allows miracles to happen for good and for bad.

Rav Yaakov Saaportes, the great fighter against the Shabse Tzvi records miracles that were performed for the Shabse Tzvi and his followers. S"T used this as "proof" that G-d approves of him. The Gedolim of those days told the people that miracles prove nothing and G-d allows miracles for bad people as well as good ones, for numerous reasons, but we have no idea what G-d's cheshbonos are. Miracles are not proof of validity.

And now the Zionists are using the arguments of the Shabse Tzvi.

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Miracles prove nothing. The Gemora says that G-d allows idol worshipers to perform miracles for their constituents as a Nisayon. Miracles have been done for evil doers throughout the ages. For whatever reason, G-d wants Arafat alive now, G-d chose to allow Hitler to do what he did - none of that means G-d agrees with them. And because Israel wins a war doesn’t mean G-d agrees with them.

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The miracles that are described, are (a) not relevant, and (b) negligible as miracles. They are not relevant because miracles are made even for evil doers, and even to assist people in doing aveiros. The Bnei Efriam, for instance, left Egypt before the Golus was over, and as a punishment they were all killed in the desert. We know that it was impossible for anyone to escape Egypt (real mem/mem sofit etc.) and so their escaping from their successfully escaping from that superpower was a clear and unquestionable miracle. Yet it helped them leave the golus early which was a terrible sin for which they were all killed.


And, as I said, the Palestinians have experienced an equal and opposite amount of "miracles" as well, which they use in their Palestinian schools to "show" that Allah is on the side of suicide bombers.

But those miracles weren't real miracles at all. As I explained elsewhere, "great success" and blessing is not the same as a miracle. Documents from the Truman administration (posted in the Zionist section on Frumteens) state that US intelligence said that in '48 although the odds are in favor of the Arabs in a war against the Jews, it is quite possible that the Jews, due to much greater organization and Arab lack thereof, would win. They said it would be no more surprising than the victory that Russia had over Hitler.

And at the outset of the 6 day war, President Johnson had predicted that Israel would win within a week. The Satmar Rebbe ZTL commented on the Zionist claim of miracles, "If the victory was a miracle, then Johnson must be a Navi!"

If you see or hear people using the term "nisim" in the context of our survival in Israel, it is to be taken in one of two contexts: either as a "loshon mushal" - not really meant literally, such as when we say "I had nissim today when my car broke down and the tow truck happened to arrive 2 minutes later", which is of course not a miracle, or in the general sense of Jews surviving among the nations as a sheep against 70 wolves, which is true with or without the state of Israel ,and has been, for 2,000 years.

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Relating stories of miracles is not really the best way to be Mekarev people, since even evil doers and other religions have similar miracle stories, which may actually be true -- Hashem allows the Satan to make miracles for evil people as a Nisayon, so miracles don’t really prove anything. So if a person becomes frum because he heard of a miracle done for a Rabbi, what’s going to be when next month he hears about a better miracle done for a Muslim?

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I do not agree that the wars were Nisim. Nisim are not things that happen against tremendous odds. Nissim are when something happens against the laws of nature. So in other words if someone falls off a roof and lands on the only bush on the block, that's not a Ness. If he falls off the roof and starts flying, that's a Ness. The odds of the NY Mets winning the 1969 World Series was a lot less than the IDF winning their wars. Yet nobody would claim that was a Ness.

But that is really not the point. It doesn't matter if the victories were Nissim or not, because Nissim do not prove anything. The Gemora in Avodah Zarah says that sick idol worshippers used to get cured through miracles done by their priests. The Gemora says that Hashem allows it because "haba l'tameh poschin lo" - someone who wants to do wrong is given opportunity to do so.

Sometimes, as in the above case, miracles are designed as Nisyonos - tests to tempt us to go off the derech. These Nissim are usually done on behalf of evil doers, and our response is supposed to be "Even though a miracle was done for these people, it is the Yetzer Horah that has been allowed to perform this miracle, and I am not impressed."

When the opponents of the Ramchal heard about his supernatural experiences, they were not impressed. "Maybe the miracles are from the Satan", they said.

The Ramchal answered that the Satan's miracles are designed to seduce people into believing in ideals that are against the Torah. Therefore, if a miraculous revelation of Torah knowledge happens - which is what the Ramchal experienced - it makes no sense that such a miracle would come from the Satan.

But chas v'shalom, we should never ever use the fact that a miracle wa done for someone as "proof" that G-d supports them. That's precisely what the Satan is trying to make you do.

Throughout history, evil doers have had miracles performed for them. I remember shortly after the Gulf War I was in Israel attending a Kiruv session, where a representative from one of the largest Baalei Teshuva Yeshivos spoke for a group of non-frum Jews.

He spoke about the "Nissim" of how the scuds fell on Israel but didn't kill anyone, and that they should be impressed by this.

It was the wrong thing to say, and he got his head handed to him. A little guy with a mustache visiting Israel from Australia raised his hand and said that before coming to Israel he was visiting Saudi Arabia, and there he attended an Arab "kiruv" session, where they also spoke about "miracles."

They mentioned a time where Arafat's little private plane crashed, blew up, and killed every single one of the passengers except him. He walked out of the wreck.

There were numerous such incidents where Arafat was miraculously saved from his blown up boat, and where he evaded a fleet of fighter jets by losing them by driving away in a Volkswagen.

At least some of these stories I know to be true.

So what's the point?

The Arabs' point was "See? G-d is on our side!"

The answer is that G-d allows evil doers to have their share of miracles, too. Not through Kishef, but through Nissim. But these are Nissim, as the Ramchal says, performed by the Satan to seduce us into believing anti-Torah ideals.

Miracles do not prove what side Hashem is on.

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Everything that happens in the world is a "ness", but it is not the same as a "ness" that breaks the rules of nature, and even within that category of "ness" there are different levels.

The miracle of Chanukah of "rabim b'yad m'atim" was not merely the underdog army beating the stronger army. The Chashmonaim consisted of about ONE DOZEN people, who routed the entire Greek-Syrian army. That's a miracle.

There are other opinions of the quantity of Chashmonayim army, as well as opinions about our being assisted by non-Jewish troops as well. But everyone agrees that it was more than just a weaker army beating a stronger one, but rather a ridiculously impossible espisode that could not have happened al pi derech hatevah.

On Purim, too, it wasn't the unlikelihood of what happened that told us it was a Ness, but rather the Neviim and the tradition that Chazal say we had throughout the generations that Hashem would make a Ness for us on purim that told us that what happened was a Ness. Meaning, it was not supposed to happen according to the way Hashem set up the world, and Hashem "changed His plans" in order to save us.

When people say "it was such a ness" it is a figure of speech, not really a Halachic ruling. Often in our lives the Hand of G-d is clear as day. There are things that happen to us that make it clear that Hashem runs the world. But that does not constitute a Ness. Not the l'mmalah min hatevah type of ness, anyway.

You don't want every unlikely episode in your life to be a Ness. We try very hard to make sure that our life is NOT governed by such Nissim. Nissim, Chazal say, reduce a person's merits. When Hashem, makes a ness for you, you have just lost lots of reward for Mitzvos. It's a very expensive proposition when Hashem bends His own natural laws for us. So if it saves lives, it is worth it. Others say that is the Ness makes a tremendous Kiddush Hashem, the merit that we incur by being inspired to be more frum cancels out the merits that we lose from obtaining the miracle. But like when someone gets a job in a very unlikely manner and they say "it was mamesh a ness", he doesn't mean a real ness, and he doesn't want it to be a ness, hopefully.

Even regarding the Ness of Chanukah, this principle applies. The Ramah rules that if you forget to say Al HaNisim in Bentching on Chanukah, you should instead add after bentching the words "Harachamon hu yaaseh lanu nissim" - May the Merciful One do miracles for us."

The Tevuos Shor disagrees. It's wrong to say such a thing, he says, since we do not pray for Hashem to make us miracles. His proof: The Mishna states that if a man prays for his pregnant wife to have a boy, it is a useless prayer, since the gender of the embryo is already determined in the mother's womb.

Asks the Tevuos Shor, but why can't he pray for the gender to miraculously change? Obviously, he concludes, we do not pray for miracles to happen.

The Yeshuos Yaakov defends the Ramah against the Tevuos Shor's claim. It's true, he says, that we don't ask for miracles. And the reason is because miracles reduce person's merits.

But that's only miracles like a supernatural sex change of an embryo in a mother's womb. It's not worth losing so much Olam Habbah to have a boy instead of a girl, which is all anyone gains from this Ness. But a ness like that which happened on Chanukah, which was public and obvious to everyone, and therefore created such a Kiddush Hashem and such an inspiration that whatever merits we lost from the Ness we gained back on our own merits.

So it’s a Machlokes whether to say that Horachamon. But everyone agrees that we do not recognize, nor do we want, our everyday lives to be governed by supernatural miracles. Every day, "natural" miracles are fine, but the miracles that disrupt nature need some kind of justification for it to be worth the price.

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Taking over Israel was not "almost impossible". The procedure was quite natural: The Zionist movement was looking for a homeland for the Jews, supposedly to protect them from anti-semitism. Some of them considered Uganda, and even a place in Texas. The most popular idea was Palestine, which eventually came under British rule. The British, for many reasons - primarily in order to find political favor in the eyes of the Jews of America and Russia, so that those countries would join Britain as allies - decided to give part of Palestine - not all - to be a Jewish homeland. That's not impossible.

But even if it was a Ness, that's not the point. A Ness does not necessarily mean something good. Idol worshipers also made Nissim. Yes, there is a lot of good, and a lot of bad, as you say, that the existence of Israel provides. But the creation of the state was a violation of the Torah, so how could an aveirah be a Kiddush Hashem? Never mind the fact that the creators of the State of Israel denied the existence of Hashem. And never mind the fact that Zionism was for many people not a way to become frum but a way to throw away frumkeit, and replace it with a new brand of Judaism that does not involve Hashem.

The founders of the State of Israel wanted to make the Jews into just another middle-eastern nation without Hashem or religion.

But never mind the fact that the Apikorsim who founded the State of Israel were the worst enemies of Hashem and His Torah. The point is that the creation of the State was against the Torah, against the will of Hashem, and you are saying Hallel to celebrate it????? That doesn't work.

All the good that the State did was clearly known to Hashem. Nevertheless, he made us swear not to do it. By saying Hallel you are celebrating something that was against the will of Hashem. That is not what Hallel chas v'sholom is for.

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A ness, in this context, means something that could not happen even against great odds. If someone wins the lottery, that’s not a ness, even though the chances were 1 in millions. You would not make a Brachah on a ness ("sh'asa li ness bamakom hazeh") because you won the lottery.

If you won the lottery without buying a ticket! - that's a ness.

The war of '48 was not a Ness. In fact, the American government predicted the very real possibility of the Arabs losing the war, even before it started. When President Truman asked his "advisers" who would win a war between Israel and the Arabs, the answer came back "it's impossible to predict". Equally unlikely victors have proven victorious in the recent past, such as Hitler in Russia, they said. Arab disorganization and ill-preparedness was cited among the many reasons for the doubt.

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And what's winning a war mean anyway? It means, like in the War of Independence, that 6,000 Jews were slaughtered - a total of one out of every hundred Jews in the total population - but the "war" was "won". Such victories hardly proclaim Divine approbation.

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Monday, August 28, 2006

Zionist/Israeli crimes III

The fact is that those in Europe, even in Hungary (which was attacked last), were unable to predict the impending doom with anything close to a sufficient level of surety that would justify their picking up and running away (read the beginning of Eli Weisel's "Night", and you will see described the surprise of the Hungarians when they were invaded. I know that much of "Night" is fiction, but this part is informative). Hindsight has 20-20 vision, but even today - if c"v the Arabs or Al Qaida or some other miscreants blow up a major metropolis like they threatened they would, and like we are currently all warned that they intend to, and that we are currently on alert lest they actually do it - are people going to say that "The Gedolim didn’t tell people to leave New York?" or "The Gedolim didn’t tell people to leave Jerusalem?".

They probably will - "they" meaning those whose political agendas would be furthered by doing so.

And so the political agenda of the State of Israel - that the State is a safe haven for Jews from anti-semitism and holocausts - is furthered by them making up stories about Tzadikim, especially since doing so they deflect attention from their responsibility for the murder of six million Jews.

There is a Teshuva printed by the Satmar Rav about two orphan bochurim who, for various reasons including fear of impending doom, wanted to emigrate to America. The Satmar Rebbe writes that he tells people the truth regarding whether to run or not - that he doesn't know. He is not a Navi, he writes, and he does not know what the future holds in this case. In the particular case of these 2 boys, he writes that he did indeed help them go to America, even though America in those days America was a spiritual danger.

Even religious Zionists have bought into this blood libel started by the enemies of Hashem in the State of Israel. Rabbi Menachem Kasher, quoted without objection by Rabbi Shlomo Aviner, writes that the Gedolim of Europe "cannot say 'our hands did not shed this blood' ".

The seriousness of the crime of these people making this false accusation against Hashem's Greatest Jews is too great to imagine. Said the Chazon Ish about them, "Who fulfills Mitzvos and is an Apikores? Those who blame the Gedolei Yisroel for the holocaust, and also all those who celebrate Yom Haatzmaut".

When talking about religious people, because their agenda is the same, those two groups of Apikorsim are usually made up of the same people.

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Now let's hear what the Zionists had to say about Jews being killed in WWII. We saw many quotes above. Here's another, written in 1943 by the Zionist activist from Poland who coordinated the work of the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee during WWII, entitled "Comments on Aid and Rescue":

"Unfortunately we must state that if we are able to save only 10,000 people from among 50,000 who can contribute to building the country and to the national revival of the people as against saving a million Jews who will be a burden, or at best an apathetic element, we must restrain ourselves and save the 10,000 that can be saved from among the 50,000---despite the accusations and pleas of the million.....going on from this assumption we must save children first because they are the best material for the Yishuv. The pioneer youth must be saved, but specifically those that have received training and are spiritually able to perform Zionist labor. Zionist leader must be saved, since they deserve something from the Zionist movement in return for their work. . . ."

...Apolinari Hartglass, "Comments on Aid and Rescue," undated memorandum, Central Zionist Archives, Jerusalem

Afra l'pumei. Uch.

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Some Zionists say that Zionism is “ahavas eretz yisroel”, and that love for our holy land is a reason that the State of Israel is a positive thing. They believe that anti-Zionists lack the measure of ahavas eretz yisroel that they possess, or that it is overshadowed by the fact that the State is not religious.

Others say that Zionism means living in Eretz Yisroel, or the desire to do so. Anti-Zionists, they believe, hold that we should not live in EY before Moshiach comes, or that since the government of Israel is not religious, that negates the benefits of living in the Holy Land.

Another group will defend their support of Israel by demanding, “Where will you go in case of another holocaust?” They believe that the State of Israel, finally, after two thousand years, gives Jews a place of refuge from anti-semitism and a vehicle with which to defend themselves in case of another attempt at extermination by goyim. They may also say that the State of Israel is a big Kiddush Hashem; that it shows the rest of the world that we Jews are not wimps who go to the slaughter like sheep, the way we have been doing for 2,000 years. They think that the anti-Zionists are not as cognizant of the need for a refuge as they are, or that they refuse to recognize that Israel is such a refuge, or that it doesn’t matter – if the government is not religious, who cares what good the State does? They believe that the anti-Zionists are stuck in a “Golus mentality”, unable or unwilling to change their meek and subservient relationship with the nations of the world. They may believe that anti-Zionists are not interested or do not sufficiently value showing the world how enlightened, advanced and, yes – “normal” – the Jewish nation can be when freed of the servitude to the nations.

Still others hold that the State of Israel is a positive thing because of all the Yeshivos and Torah learning that goes on there, which would not happen if the land was in the hands of the Arabs. The hold that the opportunity to daven at the Kosel etc. is the driving factor in supporting the State. The anti-Zionists, they think, do not appreciate the value of all this holy activity, or that all the positive it is outweighed by the anti-religious government.

Others will say that Jews are not worse than other people and we, too, are entitled to a homeland. It is enough that we wandered around the world for a couple of thousand years. It’s about time we had a normal place to live without fear of being evicted. The anti-Zionists don’t want a homeland if it involves a non-religious government.

There is yet another group who believes that the State of Israel heralds the beginning of the Geulah; that our independence as a nation is what we have been looking forward to and anticipating for thousands of years. They hold that anti-Zionists believe in disproven, at best minority-opinion Torah claims, that they stubbornly cling to that prevent them from seeing the clear signs of G-d, not to mention the clear proofs from the Torah itself that Israel is the aschalta d’geulah.

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According to the organization EFRAT (an anti-abortion tzedakah that pays people to keep their babies rather than murder them), since the inception of the State of Israel, between 1,000,000 and 2,000,000 abortions have been performed there.

The fact that the so-called "Jewish" state makes it legal and even assists in the killing of Jewish children is a crime and unspeakable chilul Hashem to the entire world, and it means that the greatest murderers of Jews nowadays is not Saudi Arabia or the Occupied Territories or Iraq - it is Israel.

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The Israeli government has lied to us in the past, causing countless deaths of Jews for their own political agendas or dreams of a "Greater Israel", while making us believe that there was a need to save Jewish lives living in the country. We have no reason to believe them when they say that they "need" to send Jews to war. They may or may not need it, you'll never know.

Their own generals have admitted this.

When Israel attacked Syria, they claimed that Syria was a serious threat to their security and thus to the lives of the Jews living in Israel. Moshe Dayan, who was the Defense Minister in 1967, explained, 10 years later, that the whole idea was a scam - Syria was not a threat to Israel before 1967. Quote: "I know how at least 80% of the incidents with Syria started. We were sending a tractor to the demilitarized zone and we knew the Syrians would shoot." Dayan said that the reason Israel attacked Syria was a desire for more land, not to save any lives at all. The strategy was (again quote): "to grab a piece of land and keep it until the enemy will get tired and give it to us" (Yediot Achronot 4/27/77).

And from another one: “The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only a bluff, which was born and developed after the war.” (Israeli Gen. Matityahu Peled, Ha’aretz, 3/19/72.)


So they want more land and send Jewish lives into war, while telling the people that they are doing so for security reasons.

Sending Jews into such a war is nothing less than murder.

And even where a war may be for security reasons, writes Rav Shach, you never know if the war could have been avoided and security could have been attained by peaceful means. What they say doesn’t mean anything.

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Rav Yaakov Kaminetsky discusses whether an act committed against the Torah could also, even miraculously, bring benefit to Klall Yisroel. This is also a controversy, and Rav Yaakov apparently sided with the minority who held that such a thing is possible.

Rav Yaakov is not saying G-d wanted the State of Israel, but rather that G-d miraculously caused the creation of the State of Israel to do some wonderful good for Klall Yisroel. That is, to prevent assimilation. This is similar to the Rambam's statement that Christianity did wonderful things for the Goyim by teaching them monotheism. The Rambam also said that Christianity is idolatry.

It's not a contradiction. Even something that is prohibited can do good. And Hashem, Rav Yaakov is saying, can even take a terrible sin and manipulate events so that instead of total destruction coming from it, Hashem can miraculously make it happen in a way will help people do good in the world.

But all this has to do with what G-d did, that is, to make sure the State is created in a time and manner that will keep Jewish identity going for many Jews. It does not justify what humans did, namely, to create the State in the first place.
Calling it a "balanced" outlook iss not Rav Yaakov talking, but interpreting what Rav Yaakov said. And it does not mean to have a less opposed view of Zionism, it just means to believe that Hashem can cause even the anti-Torah actions of the Zionists to cause good.

Of course, even this statement of Rav Yaakov is not universally accepted.

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The Zionists lobbied and fought hard to make sure no other countries would allowed Jews in, so that they would later be able to claim that the Jews need a State. They even sabotaged politically numerous attempts to save Jews, such as the deal Germany offered to ransom Jews for money, and send them to Spain. The Zionists responded that unless the refugees go to Israel, let them die. "Only through blood shall the land be ours" they said. Rav Michoel Ber Weissmandel ZTL, the great hero of WWII records how he the Zionists allowed their own people to escape and live, and purposely left other Jews to die. Their reason, they wrote, was after the allies win the war, there will have to be a decision as to whether to make a Jewish State, and unless many Jews die, it will be harder to convince the world that they need a State of their own.

Jews have also been shot and killed purposely by Zionists, as in the sinking of the Altalena and the murder of its passengers.

Since then, the Zionists have continued to devalue the lives of Jews who do not share their own political views. Check out the following article:

Israel Denied Shelter to Left-wing Argentine Jews During Junta Rule

Hadashot (Israeli Hebrew newspaper), 28 Sept. 1990

The Israeli government could have saved hundreds of Argentine Jews, who were murdered or kidnapped during the rule of the generals between 1976 and 1983, claims Marcel Zohar in his book Let My People Go to Hell, soon to be published by Zitrin.

The military censor this week decided to at last permit the publication of the book, except for several paragraphs which, so he claimed, might endanger certain person's lives or harm Israel's relations with other countries. The publisher, Ben Zion Zitrin, is about to offer the book to foreign publishing houses.

Zohar, who was Yedi'ot Aharonot [an Israeli evening newspaper] correspondent in Argentina between 1978 and 1982, describes how the Israeli government, the Jewish Agency and other official bodies refrained from processing immigration applications from Jews with left-wing background, in order to preserve Israel's good business and political links with the ruling junta. In the same period, arms sales worth about one billion dollars were concluded between Israel and Argentina. According to Zohar, both Likud and Labour leaders shared in the conspiracy of silence.

His book recounts the struggle which took place between Danny Rekanati, the immigration official based in Argentina, and the Israeli ambassador, Ron Nergad. Rekanati tried to help persecuted Jews escape from the country, while Nergad, according to the book, complained about his activities. The unwritten instruction was to refuse any help to Jews defined as 'too left-wing'.

The late Menahem Savidor, who was Knesset chairman at the time, admitted to Zohar that he had prevented a public Knesset debate on the situation of Argentina's Jews at the government's request in order not to harm Israel's crucial links with Argentina. The prime ministers of the period covered, would not discuss the book. Yigal Alon and Moshe Dayan, who were Israel's foreign ministers then, are no longer alive. The foreign ministry refused to cooperate or to open its archives for the period.

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Zionist/Israeli crimes II

The following is from an old article by M. Carmelli called "Elections 2003: Peres Breaks With Judaism on Who Is A Jew":

"Shimon Peres says that the legal definition of who is a Jew should include "whoever educated his children to live in Israel, to remain there, and to serve in the army", according to a report on Israel Radio.

"Peres, who heads the Labor Party's efforts to attract the new immigrant vote, said, "It is inconceivable that the decision as to who is a Jew should be made by the Rabbis, and if the Rabbis persist in deciding on the question of who is a Jew, we shall decide who is a Rabbi"

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From Rabbi Avigdor Miller's "Awake My Glory":


A heavy blood-guilt lies on the heads of the leaders of the Zionist organizations, together with the Jewish Agency and the heads of the State of Israel. Their conspiracy of intentional silence was instrumental in foiling the attempts to rescue Jews from the Nazi annihilation, and they also actively frustrated the efforts of the rescuers (754-764).

The Zionists betrayed their people and forsook them to their fate, because the Zionists had also betrayed their people’s ideals. They have so completely falsified the genuine attitude of historic Israel that today the Israelis and their sympathizers have more in common with the most depraved gentiles than with Jews.

The Zionists (also “religious” Zionists) delight in accusing the East-European Torah-leaders as “responsible” for the destruction of the Six Million, because they were not enthusiastic over the Zionist settlement of Eretz Israel. But it is common knowledge that the Torah-scholars founded the Jewish community in the Holy Land, and that the Zionists refused immigration certificates for the orthodox.

Actually, the Torah-leaders were the true shepherds of mercy, but the Nationalists were partners with the nations in the blood guilt of multitudes of Jews. The Zionist organization is powerful, and therefore copies of “Perfidy” are not available even in rare-book stores. “Perfidy” is the toned-down version of what the author really knew, but it demonstrates that the Zionist leaders allowed a great number of European Jews to be destroyed when there was opportunity to save them (754-759). The truth is that the only Jews rescued from Hitler (except Zionist part functionaries who were saved by the party) were those whom the Torah-Sages redeemed with the bitterly scraped-together funds that they personally collected, such as by the Vaad Hatzalah. All that the Zionists did was to prevent any action to rescue Jews, as is documented in “Perfidy”; and that is the reason that this book is not available [at the time Awake My Glory was written].

Who are the eyes of the people of Israel?
In the Torah (Bamidbar 15:25) we read: “The eyes of the congregation”. These are the Beth Din (Sanhedrin) of the Torah-leaders, for they are best able to see. When a nation is wise enough to understand that they must see not through the eyes of power-holders or demagogues, but through the eyes of the Torah-Sages, that is a healthy nation. The Jews are hard to convince (Shmos 4:1, 34:9) but because they diligently study G-d’s Torah and strive to love Him with all their heart (Dvarim 6:4), therefore they love and fear His Sages. The modern-orthodox rabbi queries: “Should we follow the Gedolim like blind sheep?” Indeed we are blind sheep. Every sheep thinks that he can see; and it is only when we understand that “the eyes of the congregation” are the only ones capable of seeing, that we can avoid straying into disaster.

The lilliputian secular leaders and the reform “rabbis” have blindly led the masses into perilous paths, and it was they that poured oil on the Nazis’ wrath and turned it into a cataclysm. “They ridiculed the humble ways of the old generations and they mocked the Torah-way of placating the nations by restraint and quiet diplomacy, and thus the majority of Jewry were misled into the policy of Nationalism and of demanding their rights with vociferousness. This was at a time when most of Europe lay helpless under the feet of the evil Hitler and his allies who clustered around him. At that time these unthinking (the Jewish “leaders”) rose up in their places of security in the free lands and they cast ridicule upon Hitler and enraged him by their irresponsible demonstrations and speeches…and they kindled his wrath by the reckless boycott. All this was in the year 5693 (1933) when the nations were still at peace with this evil one (Hitler) and there was no way other than humility and negotiation by persuasion. But these self-ordained leaders acted according to the opposite of wisdom and the opposite of the Oath imposed by G-d (not to arouse the nations by open opposition), and they had a great share in arousing the frenzy of the mad dog to the highest degree”(Min Hametzar, Rabbi M. D. Weismandl).

How different the results would have been had the people given ear to the Torah-Sages! Following the wise precedents of Torah-history, and motivated solely by unselfish principles (unlike the demagoguery and notoriety-seeking of the Reformers and other anti-Torah elements) the Torah-leaders were successfully establishing contacts with Hitler’s lieutenants and might have rescued millions, if not for the non-cooperation of the powerful and wealthy “leaders”, and also because of outright obstruction (read “Perfidy” by Ben Hect if you can find a copy which has escaped the attention of the Zionists). When leaders are not doves, but ravens and buzzards, the masses are not favored by G-d’s approval.

The Zionist leaders together with the Reform “rabbis” aided substantially in the destruction of the European Jews.

In July 1938 President Roosevelt convened the Evian Conference to consider the problem of Jewish refugees. At that time a German offer was made to release Jews at $250 per person. The Jewish Agency, headed by Golda Meir, decided to ignore the offer. At this conference, the delegation from the Jewish Agency made no effort to influence the United States or any of the 32 other participating nations to open their gates to admit German Jews.

When a shipload of Jewish refugees on the Danube river were refused permission to disembark anywhere, Henry Montor the leader of the United Jewish Appeal explained that they could not be allowed to sail to the Holy Land because “Palestine cannot be flooded with… old people or with undesirables” (Feb. 1, 1940).

On Nov. 25, 1940 the Haganah commanders ordered the blowing up of the ship Patria in Haifa Harbor as a protest against England’s plan to send refugees to Mauritius instead of to Palestine, and thus 272 Jewish refugees perished.

On Dec. 17, 1942 both houses of the British Parliament declared readiness to afford temporary residence fro endangered persons, but on Jan. 27 a spokesman for the Zionists stated that the Jews opposed the motion because Palestine was omitted.

The New York papers (Feb. 16, 1943) publicized Roumania’s offer of 70,000 Jews of Trans-Dniestria at the price of $50 each. On Feb. 24 Stephen Wise the president of the American Jewish Congress and leader of U. S. Zionists publicly denied the authenticity of the offer and declared that no collection of funds “would seem justified.” The Jewish Agency in England also ridiculed the news of the Roumanian offer. But Under-secretary of State A. A. Berle affirmed privately that the Roumanian government had actually made such an offer to the State Department. Some time later, when all the Jews who could have been rescued had been annihilated, the facts of the offer were confirmed by Bartley Crum, an expert on affairs of the Near East, who declared that the 70,000 Jews could easily have been transported through Turkey by a few days’ travel in trucks, but the State Department had refrained from publicizing the news of the offer due to Jewish (Zionist) pressure.

On Feb. 18, 1943 Yitzchak Greenbaum, chairman of the “Rescue” Committee of the Jewish Agency declared at a Zionist Executive Council in Tel-Aviv: “When they asked me: Could you not give money from the United Jewish Appeal funds for the rescue of Jews in Europe? I said No! And I say again, No! One should resist this wave which pushes the Zionist activities to secondary importance.”

In 1944 the Emergency Committee to Save the Jewish People called upon the United States to establish a War Refugee Board. Stephen Wise came before an especial committee of Congress to object to this proposal.

In 19-- {date unclear- taon} President Roosevelt planned to open the gates of America to 150,000 refugees, and Great Britain agreed to follow suit. When Roosevelt’s emissary Morris L. Ernst came to England, the Zionist leaders declared: “This is treason. You are undermining the Zionist movement.” As a result, Roosevelt informed Great Britain that the project must be abandoned: “We cannot put it over because the dominant vocal Jewish leadership won’t stand for it.”

In 1947 Congressman William Stratton sponsored a bill to grant immediate entry to the U.S. of 400,000 displaced persons. The bill was publicly denounced by the Zionist leaders, and it was therefore not passed.

On Feb. 23, 1956 J. W. Pickersgill the minister of immigration was asked in the Canadian House of Commons: “would he open the doors of Canada to Jewish refugees?” He replied: “The government has made no progress in that direction, because the government of Israel... does not wish us to do so”.

On July 15, 1971 the Zionist leaders, through Herman Weissman the president of the Zionist Organization of America, successfully opposed an effort in the U.S. Congress to allow 30,000 Russian refugees to enter the United States.

7But when we turn to view the deeds of the true leaders of Israel we see an entirely different picture.

The Sages of our people, following the principles of the Torah, concentrated all their thoughts and efforts on the saving of Jewish lives. The Vaad Hatzalah was organized by the Torah-leaders, and they toiled to raise money and to carry on negotiations and to send help to their suffering and imperiled brethren. They were not supported by the wealthy, they were ignored by the big “Jewish” organizations, and they were opposed and slandered by the irreligious. But it was they, and only they, who actually succeeded in rescuing many Jews and bringing them to a safe haven.

Had Jews in America, Canada, England, Australia, South Africa and Switzerland and elsewhere followed the Torah-leaders, the story would have been entirely different. Rabbi Weismandel of Nitra poured out his heart’s blood in the effort to save Jewish lives, but the “reform” (assimilationist) and Zionist leaders of the deluded Jewish masses in the free countries turned a deaf ear to his impassioned entreaties.

Because the Jewish populace of Eastern Europe, like those elsewhere, had ceased to regard the Gedolei-Torah as their leaders and spokesmen (740), and they had given prestige and power to the atheists and enemies of Torah, now in their hour of bitter need they were given a taste of the bitterness of the non-Torah leadership. At the famed Kastner trial it was revealed that the Zionist leaders in Hungary, in cooperation with the world Zionist leaders, had betrayed the Jewish masses and had prevented them from taking steps to save themselves by flight over the nearby border. At the same trial it was also revealed that Joel Brand, the emissary who went to meet the Zionist leaders, in Turkey and Palestine, to plead for a relatively small ransom fund to save many Jews from annihilation, was deceived by the chief Zionist leaders and was maneuvered by their trickery into a British prison, where he languished in despair until all those that had sent him were wiped out.

Rabbi Weismandel sent urgent and impassioned appeals for small funds to stave off the deportation of thousands. The assimilationists and Zionists of Switzerland and other neutral countries and of the rich communities overseas refused his request. The Reform “Rabbis” and the disloyal, to whom the public Jewish funds were entrusted, scorned the messages which Rabbi Weismandel smuggled out at the risk of his life, and they allowed the masses of Slovakian and Hungarian Jews to be transported to the German killing-centers.

It was because European Jews put their trust in atheistic Zionist leaders that these leaders everywhere became the lackeys of the Nazis in all the Ghettos. They were the machinery which served efficiently in the task of keeping the Jews docile and of persuading and coercing them to be sent off to their deaths. No Torah-leader ever cooperated with the Nazis in the destruction machinery.

Similarly, it was the “reform” and liberal Jews in the American Civil Liberties Union who fought for the Nazis to win the right to come into the open in the U.S.A. with their hate-and-kill propaganda.

“In the way that a man measures, so is it measured to him” (Megillah 12 B). The masses (many of them still observant) that read the periodicals of the Zionists and looked up to the anti-Torah spokesman, now saw how these same leaders were the implements of the people’s destruction.

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Zionist/Israeli crimes I

Please understand that, especially with regard to political issues and the rightfulness and wrongfulness of the actions of nations, there are many different versions of history, min hakotzeh el hakotzeh. In America, the American Revolution is depicted as a fight for freedom against tyrannical suppressors, and in the UK the same event is taught as an insurgent uprising of an ungrateful rabble against their founders. The very facts themselves are totally different depending on which history book you are reading.

It's called propaganda. Every nation does not want to admit it committed sins, and certainly not that it was created in sin. So it will distort, twist, and even outright lie about history in order to serve its own political agenda.

And those who grow up in that country, or those who believe that country's version of history are going to accept the lies as truth.

Israel is no different. As a secular entity, the Israeli version of history is no more accurate, and no more reliable, than any other nation's version of history, be it Germany, France, America, or the Palestinians. There is no more honesty to be attributed to the heretical and immoral Zionist leaders than there is any other group of despots. The fact that Jews - even religious Zionist Jews - believe without question the Israeli/Zionist version of history as if it were "Jewish history" (it is even included in many religious Zionist Jewish History texts) is both a tragedy and a crime, and is one of the symptoms of the replacement of Torah perspectives with the non-religious, Zionist perspectives - just one more manifestation of the replacement of the Jewish (Torah) " nationalism" with Zionist nationalism.

If you want a real version of history, you will either have to do the objective research yourself, or rely on the words of our Gedolei Yisroel, who are able to recognize the petty propaganda tactics of secular political agendas.

And, not surprisingly, this chapter of history, when stripped of political agendas, propaganda, and revisionism, matches perfectly with what our Gedolim have told us about it as well.

Part of the Israeli/Zionist version of the relationship between the State and the holocaust runs something to the effect of:

Six million Jews were killed because the Jews had nowhere to run, nobody would let them in, and if they would have had a Jewish State there would not have been a holocaust; the State of Israel is necessary for the survival of the Jews because where else will they run if there is another holocaust.

"Before: anti-Semitism, wandering, persecution, holocaust, marching to death like sheep; After: State of Israel, protection, safety, identity, "normalization", strength, power, pride."

The real story is totally different. Not only would countless Jews have been able to immigrate to other countries if not for the Zionist lobby on other nations not to let the Jews in, and that they should either (a) emigrate exclusively to Palestine, or (b) die in the crematoriums. The very real option of escaping to other lands was often available but purposely foiled by the Zionists in order force the Jewish people - and the nations of the world - to support a Zionist State (this is documented in many places, see the eyewitness testimony of the great holocaust hero, Rav Michoel Ber Weissmandel in Min HaMetzar and his "Open Letter to the Zionists".)

But that’s just the beginning. The following is an excerpt from an article by Rav Yitzchok Hutner ZTL (he gave it orally; it was written over by Rabbi Yaakov Feitman, currently in Cedarhurst, NY) in the Jewish Observer, 10/77:

"It will be our task this evening to untangle the web of distortions about recent Jewish history, which has already been woven, and uncover the Torah perspective which has been hidden from us.

"To be sure, it will not be easy to regain this perspective. The thoughts that we will explore this evening will be difficult to digest because of our long subsistence upon the forced diet of public opinion. The creators of the powerful force of public opinion are beyond the realm of our control and the mind-numbing results of their influence are largely out of our hands. In order to achieve any hold on the truth, we will first have to free ourselves form the iron-clad grip of their puissance and open our minds and hearts to the sometimes bitter pill of truth...

An example of how public opinion can be molded - indeed warped - at the whim of powerful individuals can be taken from a study of Russian history textbooks published during the respective reigns of Lenin, Stalin, and Khrushchev ... Undoubtedly, "public opinion" during each period, once the childrens' minds had been suitably molded, reflected the thinking and the wishes of the state. While more subtle in form, this ability to direct public opinion exists in democratic countries as well. Thus, we already pointed out at the beginning that we must make every effort to free ourselves from the powerful grip of public opinion, and must be ever on our guard that our opinions of the true nature of world events be shaped only by Torah views seen through Torah eyes.

Sadly, even in our own circles, the mold for shaping public opinion lies in the hands of the State of Israel. And appropriate example of this dangerous process of selectively "rewriting" history may be found in the extraordinary purging from the public record of all evidence of the culpability of the forerunners of the [Jewish] State in the tragedy of European Jewry, and the substitution of factors inconsequential to the calamity that ultimately occurred.

To cover its own contribution to the final catastrophic events, those of the State in a position to influence public opinion circulated the notorious canard that Gedolei Yisroel were responsible for the destruction of many communities because they did not urge immigration. This charge is, of course, a gross distortion of the truth, and need not be granted more dignity than it deserves by issuing a formal refutation. However, at the same time as the State made certain to include this charge a historical fact in every account of the war years, it successfully sought to omit any mention of its own contribution to the impending tragedy. . . .

In 1923 Hitler wrote Mein Kampf . . . [which] was read by Haj Amin el-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, who found most significant alliances of modern times. . . Not only did the Mufti visit Hitler and his top aides on a number of occasions, but indeed with Adolph Eichmann, he visited the Auschwitz gas chamber incognito to check on its efficiency.

The extent of the Mufti's influence upon the Nazi forces may be seen in a crucial decision made by Hitler at the height of the war. Railroad trains were much in demand by the Axis, and Hitler’s troops badly needed reinforcements in Russia. Yet, soon after he landed in Berlin in 1941, the Mufti demanded that all available resources be used to annihilate Jews. The choice: "Juden nach Auschwitz" or "Soldaten nach Stalingrad" was to be resolved this way . . . Two months later (Jan 20, 1942) at the Wannasee Conference, the formal decision was made to annihilate all Jews who had survived the ghettos, forced labor, starvation, and disease.

Of course, the mufti was serving his own perverted fears, which were the influx of millions of Jews into Palestine and the destruction of the Mufti’s personal empire. Yet, there can be no doubt that through their symbiotic relationship, Hitler and the Mufti each helped the other accomplish his own evil goal. Eichman simply wanted to kill Jews; the Mufti wanted to make sure they never reached Palestine. In the end, the “final solution” was the same ... At one point, Eichmann even seemed to blame the Mufti for the entire extermination plan, when he declared, “I am a personal friend of the Grand Mufti. We have promised that no Jew would enter Palestine any more.” . . .

It should be manifest, however, that until the great public pressures for the establishment of a Jewish State, the Mufti had no interest in the Jews of Warsaw, Budapest or Vilna. Once the Jews of Europe became a threat to the Mufti because of their imminent influx into the Holy Land, the Mufti in turn became for them the incarnation of the Angel of Death. Years ago, it was still easy to find old residents of Yerushalayim who remembered the cordial relations they had maintained with the Mufti in the years before the impending creation of a Jewish State. Once the looming reality of a State of Israel was before him, the Mufti spared no effort in influencing Hitler to murder as many Jews as possible in the shortest amount of time. This shameful episode, where the founders and early leaders of the State were clearly a factor in the destruction of many Jews, has been completely suppressed and expunged from the record. Thus it is that our children who study the history of this turbulent era are taught that the Gedolei Yisroel share responsibility for the destruction of European Jewry and learn nothing of the guilt of others who are enshrined as heroes.

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In the next issue, Rabbi Feitman demonstrates from secular sources that the “program of wholesale physical extermination [by Hitler of the Jews] began only after the Mufti’s arrival on the scene”. And that until mid-1941, the official German policy was forcing Jewish mass emigration from the Reich’s “vital space”. Only at the Wansee interdepartmental conference, 2 months after the Mufti’s arrival in Berlin, was the decree “kill all the Jews” formally made. Therefore, even if Hitler would have implemented the “Final Solution” without the Mufti’s urging, in a war that was being won by the Allies, there is no question that precious time was lost by the Mufti’s machinations.

The Zionists tried to make sure the Jews would not escape the anywhere but Palestine because they wanted a State; and the Mufti tried to make sure they would never reach Palestine because he did not want the State.

Rav Michoel Ber Weismandel writes that at the beginning, the Gedolim urged Klall Yisroel to take the “low key” response to Hitler’s decrees. AT the beginning, he writes, his evil decrees were no better or worse than other evil decrees that Reshaim had heaped upon us throughout history. That was terrible enough, and the response urged by the Tzadikim was the response that saved us throughout Golus – lay low, escape, but do not try to fight back as a sheep against the 70 wolves. That, Chazal say, is always counterproductive in Golus. In defiance of the Gedolim, the Jewish Zionist leadership in other countries including America heaped upon Hitler threats and declarations of defiance, in speeches and articles, even blowing the Shofar in front of the German consulate at a rally, declaring war on him in the name of Jewry. Chaim Weitzman announced on the radio a “declaration of war” against Hitler by the Jews. This incensed Hitler and just threw gasoline on the fire that was burning under the Jews in Hitler’s power. It was then, when Hitler heard this “declaration of war”, that he went into one of his epileptic seizures and cried out “Now I will destroy them; Now I will destroy them”.

“Only through blood [Jewish blood!] – will the land be ours!” the Zionists said.


(For documentation of both the Zionist efforts – and success – in blocking the exportation of Jews to anywhere in the world since it would undermine their position of the Jews needing a homeland in Palestine, as well as their arrogant challenges to Hitler which only contributed to his insane resolve, see “300 Discussions With Hitler”, by Roeshing, “Post Ugandan Zionism” by S.B. Bais Zvi, also the writings of Hillel Kook and Kastner records, and more).

Then they lie, the Zionists, and say that it was the Tzadikim, the Gedolei Yisroel that caused the deaths of so many Jews – with a blood libel that they didn’t tell people to go to Israel.

As Rav Shach ZTL writes (Letters vol I, “Eretz Yisroel”) “Do not think that the holocaust came because there was no Medinah”. He points out that Hitler could have come into Palestine as surely as he went anywhere else – he was going to, but then BH decided to go to Russia. The Medinah does not protect us from anything – surrounded and hopelessly outnumbered by enemies, with weapons that can rain down upon a land and blow away whole cities at once, we should not think that the Medinah will protect us form a holocaust r”l. On the contrary, he writes, the Gemora says that it is a Chesed that Hashem spread Jews all over the world, as opposed to them being in any homeland, since they can’t be collectively targeted by their enemies.

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Almost every middle-aged ashkenaz Jew in America today is the son of a holocaust survivor who came here from there - there were plenty of places for Jews to go; and while it is true that there were limits and doors closed on Jews escaping from the holocaust, that was largely because the Zionists lobbied governments not to let Jews in, and sabotaged many, many rescue and ransom attempts. Many more Jews would have been let in to many places, if it weren’t for the Zionists. And if it weren’t for the Zionists, the holocaust would never have been so bad to begin with. There are also opinions that Hitler was incensed to kill the Jews by the words and actions of Chaim Weitzman and his cohorts who declared war publicly on the radio against Hitler in the name of the Jews. The Jews of Germany were begging the Zionists not to instigate Hitler, but he kept going and going. And Hitler became more and more mad.

In short, as opposed to what the Zionists claim, the State of Israel and Zionism were contributing factors to the deaths of six million Jews in the holocaust, and obstacles to their rescue. If not for the Zionists, the entire holocaust period would never have been anything close to the horror that it was.

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One million Jews went to Israel; we probably could have found place for them if not for the lobbying of the Zionists making sure that no country would let in the survivors. They foiled all attempts at rescue that they could, because they wanted all Jews to have to move to Israel. See the letters of Rav MB Weismandel ZTL, some of them quoted in the forum.

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The Zionists decided that the State would make Jews "like all nations" and end anti-semitism. This of course, is baseless, and Kefirah against the Torah, since it attributes the cause of anti-semitism to the Jews being different than other nations, the opposite of the Torah's position.

Then, during the holocaust, they decided that having a State was the answer to prevent future holocausts.

This, too, was based on the "nihiyeh k'chol hagoyim" heresy.

They allowed, and even caused, on purpose, tens of thousands, and maybe more - of Jews to be killed in the Holocaust in order to be able to set up the claim that the Jews "need" a homeland. Many Jews could have been saved by escaping to other countries (who DID want to let them in, despite what the Zionist revisionists of history say), but the Zionists sabotaged the rescue efforts, because if Jews can be safe elsewhere, then who needs a Homeland? So in order to have their State they allowed, and caused, countless Jews to be gassed and tortured.

The Zionists had no interest in saving Jews. They had an interest in making a State. After all of this, they revisioned history, and produced the lies that the State saved lives, and the reason there was a holocaust was because there was no State, and it was the Gedolei Yisroel who caused the deaths of the Jews by discouraging emigration to Palestine etc. etc.

It's like a protection racket - I put you in danger then tell you that you need me to protect you, or else.

The Zionists know this is so. Or rather, "knew". Today, their false version of history is taught in all Modern Orthodox and Zionists institutions, and it is believed by tens of thousands of innocent Jews who have grown up on this poisoned "mother's milk." The reason it is so hard to tell Zionists that they are against the Torah even though it is clear as day, is because they have this block in their head that tells them "We need Israel or else there will be another holocaust".

Israel did not save us from a holocaust. Zionism was part of the cause, in the sense that Jews could have been saved in numerous ways if not for their direct efforts, as well as the effects of their threats and boycotts that enraged the enemy, as well as the making a deadly enemy out of the Mufti (who, prior to the Zionist threat to his regime, got along peacefully with the Jews in the Old Yishuv - see Rav Hutner quoted above).

The more level headed ones - such as Rav Soloveichik and others - concede that the State causes deaths of Jews but it is "worthwhile."

And beside all of this, we are not talking about making a State, we are talking about the above poster's religious position that he would gladly give his life for the State. For Shabbos, he would not give his life; for Kashrus, also not. But for the State, he would. That is plain Avodah Zorah. Even Eretz Yisroel can become an Avodah Zorah if you wrench it out of its Judaic context and give it your own, Nationalistic one, complete with new "halachos" and values, such as "dying for your homeland."

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The following are translated excerpts of a speech by Rav Boruch Kaplan ZTL, survivor of the Chevron massacre (Rav Kaplan was principal of Bais Yaakov in Boro Park, and the husband of Rebitzen Vichna Kaplan a"h, the founder of Bais Yaakov in Maerica).

“When I was in Hebron in 1929, there occurred the tragic massacre of over twenty yeshiva students, great scholars, plus another forty members of the Jewish community. I would like to describe the error that has circulated in Jewish communities – a horrible error, that accuses the Arabs in Hebron of being murderers who attacked the Jews simply because the Arabs were “bad people.” In order to correct the record, this error must be corrected. The Arabs were very friendly people, and the Jewish People in Hebron lived together with them and had very friendly relations with them. They worked for Jews, and everybody got along just fine.

To take just one example, I used to have the habit of walking a mile or two out of town all by myself to visit a tree that was believed to be the tree where our patriarch Abraham met the three angels, as described in Genesis. I especially enjoyed visiting the tree in the summertime. Along the way I would talk to the Arabs, though it was mostly using our hands because I didn’t speak any Arabic. Interestingly enough, no one in the yeshiva ever told me it was dangerous to go by myself among the Arabs. We just lived with them, and got along very well.

I have also seen a letter from the Grand Rabbi of the Gerrer Hassidim of those days, Rabbi Avraham Mordechai Alter of Poland, regarding his trip to the Holy Land during the days when people were talking about emigrating to Palestine. He wanted to find out what kind of people the Palestinians were, in order to be able to advise people whether to move there or not. He wrote in his letter that the Arabs were a very friendly and fine people.

Therefore it’s necessary to set the record straight about the accusations that the Palestinians were terrible killers who liked attacking Jews. This was never the situation at all!

Today’s wicked Zionists are just like their predecessors, who were responsible for causing terrible suffering in Palestine with their wars with the Arabs, may G-d have mercy. At that time in 1929, the Zionists had a slogan arguing that the Western Wall in Jerusalem was a Jewish “national symbol.” Of course, the Arabs disagreed with this idea, considering that they had control of the location for over 1,100 years. However, the Zionist mobs were yelling that “The Wall is ours!” It’s hard to understand why they felt that way considering they have no connection to the Jewish holy places whatsoever. An argument erupted in the Jewish newspapers about establishing a permanent prayer area for Jews at the Wall. This provoked the Arabs, and the rabbi of Jerusalem at the time, Rabbi Yosef Chaim Zonnenfeld begged them to stop and to be appreciative to the Arabs for allowing Jews to pray at the Wall for so many centuries undisturbed. However, the Zionists wanted a permanent setup under their control.

The Zionists refused to heed the calls of Rabbi Zonnenfeld, and they called a large meeting of Jews in Jerusalem – supposedly some 10,000 people showed up. One of the speakers was their “chief Rabbi” (Avraham Isaac Kook), who proclaimed, “Hear O Israel, the Wall is our Wall, the Wall is One” (which is a ridiculous pun on the blessing, “Hear O Israel, the Lord your G-d, the Lord is One”). This began the conflict at the time between the Zionists and the Arabs.

Afterwards, we were studying at the yeshiva in Hebron, and saw a bunch of boys in short pants carrying weapons on bicycles and motorcycles, running around the streets of Hebron. We were very worried about this. What were they up to?

In brief, our rabbi, the supervisor of our religious academy, Rabbi Moshe Mordechai Epstein, called them for a meeting, but they refused. He was forced to go over to them, and asked them what they were up to. He accused them of wanting to provoke the Arabs. They responded that they were coming to protect us!! We cried out, “Woe is us! G-d have mercy!” They didn’t want to leave town until it was too late!

These arrogant cowards only ran away when the local leaders of the Arabs called for a mass meeting of the people of the surrounding Arab villages. But it was too late; the Arabs got organized, and the Mufti called on his people to be ready Friday night when the yeshiva would be attending prayers. At this point, the yeshiva was alone against the Zionists, but the Arabs didn’t know to distinguish between us and the Zionists. Sadly they attacked and killed some of our people, including the great scholar, Rabbi Shmuel Rosenhaltz.

The next morning we heard about the excitement in town, and even worse, we heard the crying and shouting. I and a friend, Avraham Ushpener, lived in an apartment that was part of a three-story building leased by a Jew from an Arab. We could hear all the noise from our apartment on the third floor. We were terrified to let the Arabs in because we knew how angry they had become, but a while later things calmed down. In total, some 65 people were killed. On the other side of town, however, the Jews were spared.

Why am I telling this story? It is because I wanted to describe how the wicked Zionists, both today and in those days, were the cause of our suffering!

It reminds me of an event recounted by Rabbi Moshe Schonfeld, who once visited Rabbi Avraham Yeshayahu Karelitz {Chazon Ish) when the Zionist state was established, and when there was fighting between the Zionists and the Arabs. Rabbi Schonfeld told Rabbi Karelitz about what was happening. Rabbi Karelitz told him that the crimes of the Zionists were much worse, because they were wicked heretics who were uprooting hundreds of thousands of Jews from their faith and that is much greater pain since our Sages stated that a person who causes another person to sin is much worse than if he kills him.

The Arabs were a friendly people to us, and I am a witness to it. We lived very well with them in Hebron. Rabbi Alter attested to this as well, and it is the accursed Zionists who caused them to hate us.

Everyone should know who the murderers are – the Zionists are the biggest murderers in the world, who refuse to let the Jewish People live in peace either physically or spiritually!”


Someone sent me the following pertinent article:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/hebron29.html

Some relevant excerpts that duplicate details of Rabbi Kaplan's tale almost word for word:

For some time, the 800 Jews in Hebron lived in peace with their tens of thousands of Arab neighbors. But on the night of August 23, 1929,... and for 3 days, Hebron turned into a city of terror and murder....the survivors were relocated to Jerusalem, leaving Hebron barren of Jews for the first time in hundreds of years...Jewish immigrants were arriving in Palestine in increasing numbers, further exacerbating the Jewish-Arab conflict...The Sephardi Jewish community in Hebron had lived quietly with its Arab neighbors for centuries.... [Slabodka] Yeshiva students lived separately from the Sephardi community, and from the Arab population. Due to this isolation, the Arabs viewed them with suspicion and hatred, and identified them as Zionist immigrants. Despite the general suspicion, however, one yeshiva student, Dov Cohen, still recalled being on "very good" terms with the Arab neighbors. He remembered yeshiva boys taking long walks late at night on the outskirts of the city, and not feeling afraid, even though only one British policeman guarded the entire city...Rabbi Slonim, who had tried to shelter the Jewish population, was approached by the rioters and offered a deal. If all the Ashkenazi yeshiva students were given over to the Arabs, the rioters would spare the lives of the Sephardi community. Rabbi Slonim refused to turn over the students and was killed on the spot...A few Arabs did try to help the Jews. Nineteen Arab families saved dozens, maybe even hundreds of Jews.

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Sunday, August 27, 2006

Israel: protection? III

Although I don’t know if the disengagement from the gaza strip is good or bad, I can at least say what the question here is, which, they say, is half the answer.

Whether this is good or bad depends on one thing only: will the disengagement save lives or endanger them? If it will save lives, then it is a good thing, if not, not. To save lives, we do anything (with few halachic exceptions), and so if giving back land in Israel to the Arabs will save lives, then that’s what we should do. In fact, theoretically, if we could give back the entire State of Israel without endangering any Jewish lives (currently an impossibility) that would be the right thing to do. Rav Shach ZTL used to pray every day, his students relate, for the peaceful dismantling of the State of Israel, “peaceful” meaning without endangering any Jewish lives.

So ideas of keeping this land at the cost of Jewish lives is wrong. One Jewish life is worth more than all the land in the world, and that’s irrelevant to the fact that this particular land is something that we were prohibited to have possessed in the first place.

And whether the disengagement will or will not save lives is something I am not sure of: how can I be? It is a political question, which involves knowing how the Arabs will react, how the Israelis will react, how the world will react, and that includes, among many other things, knowledge of the motives of those orchestrating the disengagement as well as those resisting it. These are things that I cannot tell you with any degree of certainty. It is not something I can look up in the Rambam or the Shulchan Aruch, and I am neither a political expert nor a Yodeh Machshavos. And so I defer to Chazal’s instructions in Shabbos 145b: “Im borur lecha k’achoscha shehi asura tomar, v’im lav al tomar”. (And as far as the Hafgonos, that is your answer as well - if you are not sure about it, don't protest.)

To be sure, the answer to everything – even political issues - is contained somewhere in the Torah, but that doesn’t mean all of us can always find it.

What makes the issue more difficult is that just because someone is a political expert does not mean we can rely on his word here. As Rav Shach writes, we cannot rely on the officials in the State of Israel for reliable information regarding these matters, since they have their own standards of morals and agendas, which skew their opinion. Who is to say for instance that when they send Jewish teenagers to die in a war that such action was absolutely necessary? We cannot rely on them to have exhausted all means available to avoid war, he writes. In a nutshell, people who we would not rely on to provide us with information regarding the kashrus of a chicken should not be relied on to provide us with information regarding Dinei Nefoshos. These people are definitely not mesiach kefi tumam.

One thing I will say, though. If there is any group of people who definitely gain by the disengagement, it’s the settlers themselves. It’s dangerous where they live, and they and their children – special emphasis on their children who did not choose on their own to live out there in the Wild West but were made to do so by their parents - are probably going to be much safer wherever they end up.

I had a “conversation” (more like an argument) with a major right-wing settler person a while back who was tirading (there should be such a word) to me about how terrible the disengagement is. I asked him what he would say if, after 120 years, Hashem shows him a video of what would have been without the disengagement, and he sees his own children being slaughtered by Arab terrorists c”v. Then Hashem says to him “This is why I made the disengagement happen. So your own children should be saved,” would he complain then, or would he thank Hashem crying in gratitude and humility for making the disengagement happen?

You should have seen the stunned look on his face.

I explained to him that he should focus on the opinion of the Chovos Halevovos and Sefer HaChinuch (there is a machlokes about this), that when someone does something bad to you, even with their Bechirah, it is a Gezrirah from Shamayim and it would have happened to you anyway, even had that person not chosen to do it. So if he is forcibly relocated, he should look at it like any other Gezirah – according to him a Gezeirah Raah – and his job would be to follow the Gemora that states “im yesurim baim alav yepashpesh bemaasav”, and he should figure out what Teshuva he needs to do that caused this Gezeirah, and then he can do whatever he thinks he wants to do to fix the situation. But his main job as a frum Jew is to take it like we take all other Yesurim and take stock in his actions.

That’s if his moving out is a bad thing. Otherwise, he should focus on that movie I told him about in Shamayim, and figure out what Mitzvah he did to merit this glimmer of Hashgachah Pratis where Hashem intervened and did him a tremendous Chesed.

Or both.

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Even if peace did not work before, that does not mean it cannot work now. The world has changed much since then, as well as the attitudes of both sides. But contrary to Israeli propaganda, there were mistakes and lack of cooperation on both sides. It could be corrected and done properly, perhaps, but, like all secular governments, Israel spread the word that they made all the concessions and the Arabs made all the refusals.

In any case, what needs to be done is to cut through all the lies and propaganda so that we can get the facts straight, then maybe work out a solution. Currently, with all the propaganda and lies proliferated by both Israel and the Arabs, and America and Europe, it can’t be done. You can’t work out a solution to a complex problem with tons of wrong assumptions and false facts.

The first step --- that YOU can do -- is to not accept what you are told by politicians with agendas and a past record of deceit. The Israelis are not more honest than any other secular politicians. We should not trust them any more than we would any others. Then, when we have the facts straight, maybe we can get to first base.

Even if the modern day Egyptians still hate us, the fact that at least destructive war was prevented - at the very least, suspended - saves lives and is worth concessions. ONE life is worth all the land in the world. That’s the rule. (Please see Rav Shach's quotes in the "Zionism" section of the forums). And if there was peace with our other neighbors there, it is not unreasonable to assume that the Egyptian anger and hate would not be as great as it is now.

Habah l'hargecha hashkem l'horgo is a Halachic ruling, and is not useable by those who are not qualified to make Halachic rulings. The assessment of the Israeli government regarding who to kill is halachicly useless, since they cannot be assumed to have exhausted any and all options for peaceful solutions, including concessions.

Habah l'hargecha does not mean to make pre-emptive killings. Making peace comes first - like Yaakov Avinu did with Esav- first he tried to appease him, and if that didn’t work, he was willing to go to war. And war meant there, to hold off the enemy long enough to escape (see Rashi). Hashkem lhorgo does not mean put your own life in danger if you can avoid it. It does not mean to send Jews to war that will invariably cost Jewish lives. It says kill the OPPONENT - not send Jews to be killed. We would not halachicly trust people like Sharon with our Milchiger dishes and fleishiger sponges. We have to be insane to trust not only his word, but his objectivity, his judgment, and his agenda, with our brothers' lives.

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I seriously doubt there will ever be peace in Eretz Yisroel. It's kind of like asking regarding the Jews who lived in Germany and Poland before WWII what would "be our most realistic prospect of finding peace" with the Nazis? The Gedolim warned us that if they make this Medinah, Eretz Yisroel will be the most dangerous place in the world for Jews to live, and of course that’s what has happened. I seriously do not know how to make peace. But I do know what will make the situation worse --- and that is making believe that we are stronger than our enemies. We are not - we are one sheep among 70 wolves. What’s the sheep's best prospect for peace?

Obviously the best answer, if it were possible theoretically, would be to relinquish the entire Medinah to someone or some international force or group that is capable of handling the Arabs - because Israel is not capable of that at all. But - alas! - that isn’t going to happen, so realistically, as long as it's Israel vs. the Arabs, Israel will continue to lose lives, Hashem Yishmerienu.


The Satmar Rebbe had a different analogy than the one from the Chazon Ish with the same lesson. Simply, he said that the Zionists are like arsonists who set a building on fire then want to take credit for dragging one or two people out of the burning building while the rest burn to death.

The issue is NOT the 900 people that were killed in the last 3 years - that is just PART of the issue. The issue is the 25,000 people that were killed in the last 50 years, of which those 900 are a part, and the thousands upon thousands that are in danger of being killed in the future, and the countless Jews that were killed before 1948 because of the Zionist-Arab conflict.

Probably the simplest, easiest to understand crime of the Zionists against the Jewish people is the war with the Arabs that they threw us all into without asking us. I have seen Rav Soloveichik and Rav Hershel Shecheter among others struggle Halachicly with the issue of what is the heter to create a Medinah that invariably will cost Jewish blood to maintain. Neither of them, nor anybody else, has come up with anything close to a real answer. It’s not easy to justify Jewish deaths, which is what the Zionists must do for the sake of their "medinah." Is it any wonder that our Torah leaders have said that the Medinah will likely be the absolute worst tragedy that has ever befallen klall Yisroel in the history of golus? (Rav Elchonon Wasserman said it in those words).

The results of the Kahanist philosophy and way of life can be seen clearly by what it did to Kahane and his family hashem yishmereinu. That is the result of Zionist militancy.

So I don’t know what the solution is to this war with the Arabs, but I surely know what the cause was. And it is insanity to think that employing more of the irresponsible actions that caused the deaths of all those Jews is going to do anything but bring more of the same.

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The Satmar Rebbe ZT"L, one of the staunchest opponents to Zionism in our times, wrote in his Sefer Vayoel Moshe (p.8) that although we are not allowed to have Eretz Yisroel before Moshiach, unfortunately, it is impossible just undo the state through political means since that will endanger Jewish lives. The only way to undo statehood nowadays is to pray for Hashem to deal with it. But politically, it is impossible.

When I was a kid, I once asked Rabbi Avigdor Miller [how could we give away Israel and survive.] He gave me a moshol which I later found out is really a posuk in Mishle.

He said what the Zionists did when they created a Jewish state in Eretz Yisroel against lethally vehement opposition of the Arabs was like grabbing a dog and picking it up by the ears.

The dog gets angry, but you have a dilemma. If you let go he's going to bite you, but the longer you hold it the angrier he gets.

The same thing, he said, with Eretz Yisroel. If you let go they'll kill you but the more you hold on the more terrible they get.

The posuk in Mishle goes like this:

Kmachzik b'aznei kelev, over hamisaber al riv lo lo.

"Like grabbing the ears of a dog, someone who gets embroiled in a dispute that is not his own."

I do not believe at this point that anything will make the Arabs stop killing Jews. I don't believe that giving them land will change that. But whether giving back some land will be reduce the intensity of the current state of war, and if so what and how much, is a question that I am unable to give any better an opinion on than anyone else. I am not an Israeli government official and I am not privy to the information they have, I do not know the games they play, and whatever information we do know is tainted with political agendas. This issue is nothing less than Dinei Nefoshos, life and death matters, which should not be decided by a bunch of anti-Torah, anti-G-d, soulless politicians. Unfortunately, the lives of so many Jews are stuck in the middle of a political battle between two governments, both of which have their own political agendas, and who are either willing to kill Jews (Arabs) or allow Jews to be killed (Israelis) in order to further those careers and agendas. I don't know what the answer is, and those that do, it looks like, don't care.

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There is not much to do here - the world currently has ignited its Jew hatred because of the conflict in the Middle East. Israel and the Arabs both do thing wrong and occupying three million people against their will does not go over well with the other nations of the world.

The problem is an old one, and it was predicted by our Gedolim. The Zionists have told the world that they represent "Jews". That the acts of the State of Israel represent the opinion of Jews and Judaism. This of course is a lie, but we Jews are in a very precarious position here. Even though our agenda and the political agenda of the Israeli government often does not coincide - our agenda is the safety and well being of the Jews living in Israel, not territory, or political agendas, or even the State itself - we cannot compromise the security of the State without endangering the lives of Jews.

Rav Micoel Ber Weismandel ZTL wrote that the solution to the Palestinian problem is that we should depose the political leaders that represent us, and negotiate peaceful with the Arabs for coexistence, under whatever government will better guarantee such coexistence, Jewish or not.

This was before '48. Now, such a solution is not possible. The world thinks, mistakenly, that the Jews are unreasonable, bloody murders of innocent civilians and tyrants who have the audacity to maintain an occupation over millions of people against their will.

The reality is, the Israeli government's actions do not represent the Jews. The Torah does. And since the Israeli government has no desire to follow the Torah, their actions represent Jews no more than the actions of the government of Turkey. The nations blame the Jew in London and the Jew in Flatbush and the Jew in Paris for what the Israeli government is doing.

Unfortunately, that is the situation, and the Jews living in Israel are in grave danger. This synthetically created blood feud between Jews and Arabs is now a reality. And we must defend our brother Jews at all costs.

To alleviate anti-semitism, we must show Hashem, and yes, the nations of the world, that we are a people who follow the Torah, not political agendas, and not jingoistic tribalism. We must do Teshuva and return to Hashem. The anti-semitism that exists in the world is a result of the inherent powder keg of Esav soneh es Yaakov, which was ignited by the actions of those who falsely told the world they represent Judaism. Our job now is to show Hashem that we know what Judaism really is, and that we are committed to he Torah and not to any other agendas.

The only solution to this problem is Teshuva, because only Hashem can get us out of it.

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Hashem said He doesn't want a State; obviously if we were led to that position it wasn't by Hashem.


Hashem didn’t say "If Russian Jews come there then it's OK to make a State" - He said don't do it no matter what, and if you do it, Jews will be killed like animals. This would not be a heter. But in fact the State of Israel took Russian Jews from Russia who for generations made sure to hold on at least to their Jewish identity and gave them free passage into Israel where they now have a close to 90% assimilation rate (that's right 90% among the Russian Jews in Israel), not to mention the fact that many of those are not really Jews at all, since the Israel government "paskened" that anyone with one out of four grandfather who were Jewish makes you Jewish and entitled to the privileges of the Law of Return. And even to prove that one of four of the grandparents were Jewish you don’t need anything except the "say so" of a fellow russian. One signed affidavit, that’s all.

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They originally had a plan for Uganda to be the Jewish State, and even an area in Texas. But they decide on Israel because of the "historical" roots that the Jewish people have to it. They don't care about Judaism, so what connection do they have to EY more than Uganda?

The answer is that the Zionists were not trying to make a Jewish State per se - the State was only part of their plan. Their plan was to change the Am Yisroel from a religion-based nation into a culture-and-land-based nation, like the Italians, Spanish and Greeks, whose nationality is due to their common language, land, and culture. So too they wanted to create a new Am Yisroel - based on a common language (Ivrit), land (Israel) and culture. Religion would not have anything to do anymore with being Jewish - as Shimon Peres said not long ago: "Who is a Jew? Whoever supports Israel and fights in the army is a Jew. If the rabbis don’t like that we will have to ask 'who is a rabbi?'".

As the Brisker Rav ZTL pointed out: "It’s not that they want a State and therefore they shmad yidden - they want to shmad yidden and therefore they need a State."

The whole idea of Zionism was to redefine Jews, Judaism, and the Jewish Nation from religious entities to national entities. The whole idea was to destroy Klall Yisroel and rebuild it in their own godless image. From Rav Avigdor Miller: "What Haman and Titus could not do, the Zionists are attempting."

It used to be, that the Reshayim would try to get us to become part of the other nations - we always fought that because we are Jews, not Greeks or Romans. The Zionists have a more insidious evil, which ha never before been attempted: To make us into one of the other nations!

That’s why they wanted Israel - a land with "historical and cultural" ties. History and culture is vital for the success of nationalism. Eretz Yisroel was the most logical tool for them to accomplish their destruction of Judaism based on a Torah and replace it with Judaism based on nationalism.

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The establishment of the State of Israel was opposed by all Torah leaders. Only the Mizrachi wanted it, and not only were they hopelessly outgunned scholarship-wide by the Torah giants that opposed them, but they have not yet show any hope of answering the Torah claims leveled against them by the Gedolim.

The analogy to "entrapment" is an example of the halachicly invalid arguments that need to be used to defend the indefensible. Entrapment is not a Halachicly valid defense. It is the Yetzer Horah's job in this world is to "entrap" us. The same argument that you are making here I have heard from Jewish men who fell in love with non-Jewish women, and attempt to justify their intermarriage. They say How can G-d allow me to fall in love with this woman and not marry her? Isn't that "entrapment?" Any Yetzer Horah is entrapment. Entrapment is not a Halachicly valid claim in Torah law. If you are using Goyishe law to decide Halachah, then your point could be debated. Otherwise, it doesn't work.

Secondly, the Medinah is only accepted, even after WWII by those who either don't know it is against the Torah or don't care. The fact that the vast majority of Torah Jews, including the Gedolei Yisroel and their followers did not accept it invalidates any argument of entrapment. The existence of the Brisker Rav, the Chazon Ish, the Rogachover Gaon, the Lubavitcher Rebbe Rashab, Rav Samson Raphael Hirsch, the Chofetz Chaim, and other authorities who taught us not to accept the Medinah is more compelling to Torah Jews than whatever promises of salvation Ben Gurion and Achad Ha'am had to offer.

Furthermore, nobody ever said that the creation of the State was an "act of the devil". Judaism has no devil. Such statements are regularly used by Zionists to misrepresent their opponents, and they have zero truth to them. A "maaseh Satan" is not an "act of the devil". It is exactly what you described in your post: Something that is tempting but against the Torah. The Yetzer Horah (Satan)'s job is to create such situations. And if as the State was a tempting attraction especially after WWII then by definition, if it is against the Torah it is a Maaseh Satan. "Act of the devil" is a totally different concept which does not exist in our religion.

Examples of the way the Jews were treated in Syria - blood libels, pogroms killing scores of Jews - is nothing exceptional, unfortunately, throughout Golus. And it does not compare in the slightest to the treatment we had under the Christians. Again - under Arab rule, both in Palestine and in Arab lands, we were treated much better than we were by the Christians and Europeans. Until the Zionists came. This is not a question, it is, as the Zionists themselves admit, a historical fact. Ben Gurion himself said that if he were the Arabs he would never accept Israel, "for we took their land" were his words.

Incidently, in Syria, although you are correct that there were a relatively small amount of violent outbreaks against the Jews (that is, relative to the Chirstians), the Jews were not allowed to leave, but were afforded general protection of the government.

I am fully aware of the writings of Gotein, including his Iyunim B'Mikrah. Nothing he says changes any of the above. And the website link you supply doesn't have any information that changes any of the above either.

The argument that since the State exists it is the will of G-d is just one more example of the untenable position of the Zionists. Just because G-d allows something does not mean He approves of it. G-d allowed six million Jews to be killed. Does that mean He approves of Hitler?

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