Thursday, September 28, 2006

Chukas Akum

Chukas Akum does not include things like going to the mall or the movies. The reason is, because the mall and movies and the like were instituted and developed by both goyim and Jews, that is, of the not religious variety. Chukas Akum has to be something that the goyim and not Jews institute or do.

That having been said, all that applies to the Torah prohibition of Chukas Akum. However, that does not mean that being a mall rat is a positive spiritual thing. There are other issurim involved with going to movies - such as moshav leitzim - even if it does not fall into the category of chukas akum. And the general lifestyle of a Ben Torah is not the same as a goy - we have other things than they do that concern us, that matter to us, that occupy our time

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The meaning of Thanksgiving today is not very clear. Here’s the history:

December 1620 – The pilgrims (idol worshipers by the way; Puritans of the English Separatist Church who first ran to Holland from England to escape religious persecution, and then left Holland because it wasn’t a religious enough environment for them) settle at Plymouth Rock. Winter was terribly cold and stormy. Of the 102 pilgrims that arrived, 46 of them died. But the next year’s harvest was good, and so they decided to celebrate their survival. They made a three day party, which was the first Thanksgiving.

It’s not known whether turkey was even part of the celebration at all. Governor William Bradford sent some guys “hunting for fowl”, and they may or may not have returned with a turkey. They definitely had lobster, deer meat, and fruit. It was a one-time thing, this Thanksgiving, which took place in July, never intended to be repeated again.

Every now and then another one-time, local Thanksgiving was declared because of various good fortunes, including a ‘day of prayer” that was successful (sic) at “ending a long drought” in 1623.

The first time all colonists celebrated a Thanksgiving was 1777 when they beat the British in a battle.

In 1789 George Washington declared a national Thanksgiving day, but it met much opposition, first because why should the problems of a few pilgrims merit a national holiday, and two – this one came from Thomas Jefferson – that the government has NO RIGHT TO MAKE RELIGIOUS HOLIDAYS for everyone in the country!

Yes, religious. These were George Washington’s words:

“Now, therefore, I do recommend and assign Thursday, the 26th day of November next, to be devoted by the people of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being who is the beneficent author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be; that we may then all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks …

“And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations, and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions; to enable us … to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually … to protect and guide all sovereigns and nations … and to bless them with good governments, peace, and concord; to promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue …and … to grant unto all mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as He alone knows to be best. “


The first official national Thanksgiving holiday was declared by president Lincoln in 1863. These were his words:

“The year that is drawing towards its close, has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, others have been added, which are of so extraordinary a nature, that they cannot fail to penetrate and soften even the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever watchful providence of Almighty God . . .
“No human counsel hath devised nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy. It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and one voice by the whole American People. I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to His tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquility and Union.”

Sounds clearly like a religious holiday to me. Although it’s not part of any particular religion, it is certainly not merely a holiday celebrating the fact that the pilgrims survived and found a turkey to eat or the discovery of America; if it was declared as “a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens.”

Therefore, I would say simply that based on this, celebrating Thanksgiving would be prohibited because of Chukas Akum.

Even if one will argue that Thanksgiving has no religious connotations, it would be in the category of “minhag shtus shelhen”, plain silly meaningless customs of the Goyim, which are prohibited by Tosfos in Avodah Zarah 11b.

Now Rav Moshe Feinstein ZT”L has numerous Teshuvos on this. In OH V:20:6 he says that there is no prohibition to make a generic celebration on Thanksgiving (though he says a baal nefesh should be strict and not do it) but to actually make a celebration in honor of Thanksgiving is prohibited, because of Tosfos in Avodah Zarah that I quoted above. Rav Moshe says that even if originally the celebrators of the holiday thanked their Avodah Zarah, that has nothing to do with later celebrations, where this is no longer the case. To eat turkey on thanksgiving would therefore not be prohibited he says, unless you are doing it to celebrate Thanksgiving.

He also comments on the ruling of a certain Rav (I know who it is but if Rav Moshe did not mention his name I will not either) that eating turkey on Thanksgiving is Yehorg V’Al Yaavor, that he “doesn’t know the story [of Thanksgiving]”.

Rav Moshe ends, however by saying that this prohibition is “not clear.”

In a different teshuva (YD 4:11) Rav Moshe writes, “It looks as if (l’chorah), since in the religious books [of the Christians] this holiday is not mentioned, and … since this [holiday] is a day of commemoration for the people of the country who also were joyful because of the country to live here, now or then, we do not find a prohibition to make a feast, nor by eating turkey. Like we find in Kiddushin 66a that King Yanai made a feast when he won …a war, and ate vegetables as a commemoration. . .. But I still say that it is prohibited to establish this day annually for this feast, as Yanai’s celebration was only a one-time thing.”

In the very next teshuva Rav Moshe reconciles the seeming contradictions in his responsa. He describes Thanksgiving: “They didn’t have food for a certain time when they first came to this country, and then they ate turkeys”.

Rav Moshe explains that it makes no sense to establish a national holiday because of the events of certain pilgrims – exactly the objections that were raised against George Washington’s proclamation! – and that therefore Thanksgiving would be considered a “silly custom” and therefore prohibited under Chukas Akum. He says that it is not a religious holiday because, “They do not make this [holiday] because of religious concerns, and not with reasons of their religions, rather, it is a commemoration of something that has nothing to do with their religions, since it wasn’t founded by priests but rather plain people who were not involved with the idolatrous religions. Since they do not do this because of any connection to any religion in the world…”

The problem is, historical research clearly indicates that Thanksgiving was indeed established based on religious beliefs (the distinction Rav Moshe made before about the original celebrators perhaps thanking their idols but not today was regarding the celebrators own individual behavior. But he is clearly assuming that the establishment of the holiday had nothing to do with religion). Was Rav Moshe aware of this? Was Rav Moshe provided with this information by whoever it was that explained to him what Thanksgiving is about?

Who knows, but it doesn’t sound like it. Rav Moshe himself in YD 4:11, when he gives his reasoning why Thanksgiving is not a religious holiday he prefaces his remarks with “l’chorah”, which means “it seems so, but it’s not certain.”

Rav Moshe himself rules that to make an annual celebration is prohibited, and only to eat a one-time meal is permitted.

Bottom line:

(a) To celebrate Thanksgiving as an official, annual celebration is for sure Assur;

(b) to celebrate it at all may be Minhag shtus and also prohibited,

(c) and that's assuming that the whole thing is not a religious holiday, which it seems, is not the case. It was established as a religious holiday with religious meaning.

(d) And even what is permitted, even according to Rav Moshe's information, is only the bare-bones Halachah. A baal nefesh (spiritual person? Something like that) should stay away, he says.

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Halloween is a totally idolatrous celebration, which originated as a Celtic holiday, Samhain (pronounced many different ways), named after their Avodah Zorah who was "Lord of the Dead and Prince of Darkness". We'll call him "Sammy" for short.

Sammy supposedly took the "sun god" prisoner each year during the winter. On the day before the new year, which for the Celts was November 1st, Sammy called together all the dead people for a convention. I am not kidding. The dead people would take different forms, the real evil ones taking the form of a cat.

Of course, this was all very scary to the Celts, so they had their galachim, called "druids" offer sacrifices and stuff that day.

They made a holiday out of this to honor both the sun god and Sammy, which lasted three days, where people would parade down the street in animal skins and other costumes.

But it's not finished yet.

The Romans also had a holiday which, after many centuries ended up being mixed in with Sammy day. it's called Pomona Day, named after their avodah zarah god of fruits.

But we're still not finished.

About 1,200 years ago the Roman Catholic Idol Worshipers declared November 1st a holiday, All Hallows Day, in honor of their saints. Later they added another day to this, Nov. 2, called "All Souls Day", in honor of dead people. The Christian idol worshipers dressed up as saints, angels and devils. They made these holidays in order to counteract Sammy's Day ("chukas pagans" is against Christianity). But instead of counteracting it, people simply celebrated both the Christian and Celtic holidays at once.

The Halloween that exists today has a mixture of the customs of Sammy's Day, Pomona Day, All Saints Day, and All Souls Day.

That's what you're celebrating on Halloween.

You should not give candy to trick-or-treaters, but to avoid any ill-feelings, just don't answer the door, as opposed to telling the kid at your door "no."
That's part of celebrating and recognizing the holiday, which is not permitted.

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December 25th was originally a pagan holiday associated with Saturnalia, the Winter Solstice. The early Christians had this marketing technique where they would try to pass off Yoshka as the fulfillment of the various legends in different pagan mythologies, thus getting those pagans to accept Yoshka. To this end, they kind of "rescheduled" Yoshka's birthday December 25th to coincide with this holiday, which predated Yoshka by many hundreds of years.

Celebrating yoshka's birth is worse than merely counting from his death - when you count it's just a point of reference, but when you celebrate you're saying that you think it's worthy of being a holiday.

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If saying "Christmas" is wrong, then saying "Xmas" is not any different. The X in Xmas is the Greek letter X, called "chi", which is the first letter in the Greek word Christos, meaning Christ, or "Messiah." The reason illiterate people used to use "X" in place of their signature on a contract is because they were calling upon Yoshkah to witness their good faith.

The reason we are allowed to say it is because Christ doesn’t mean our savior but rather "anointed" (moshiach in english). Kings were anointed, even among the goyim, and it doesn’t imply any religious connection to him.

However, in Europe many Jews were accustomed to referring to the holiday as "kratz mich", which means "scratch me" in Yiddish.

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I was there when a certain Rav asked Rav Schwab ZT”L why we allow Chanukah presents if it’s really not a Jewish custom, but rather a copy of the gentile custom of giving presents on Xmas. He said basically that Chanukah presents are treif (Incidentally, Chanukah “gelt” – cash, not presents – is a 100% Kosher minhag), but since the custom is so prevalent, if you as a parent will be the only one not to give your child a present on Chanukah, he will feel deprived and it can cause more trouble than it is worth. Therefore, since it is not Halachicly prohibited, but merely “not Jewish”, don’t fight it.

(It should be noted that in the case of the theaters, which is halachicly prohibited, we are not actually committing the sin; we are merely not objecting to it. In the case of the Chanukah presents, we would be committing the sin if it were prohibited. Therefore, to allow Chanukah presents, it is necessary to be Halachicly permitted).

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The truth is, even though counting the goyish year isn't as bad as celebrating it, the Chasam Sofer and Mahram Shik rule that it is prohibited to count according to the goyish year. We should follow their opinion. That is why many pious Jews will not write the goyish year out, but instead will only abbreviate it - as in '03.

The goyish months are not prohibited because (I heard this svara from Rav Hillel David and it's an excellent explanation) the goyish months aren't really months --- a month represents the cycle of something, like the cycle of the moon. As opposed to the goyish month, which represent nothing --- every 30-31 days, what happened? Absolutely nothing. They aren't "months" - they are random segments of days that people decided to clump together and call a "month". Fine, but that's not a Goyish version of a Jewish month, for a Jewish month means counting a time period against a cyclic event. So there is no reason not to use the goyish "months" - they're not "competition" for ours.

My son came up with a similar explanation as to why we are allowed to use the goyish days of the week - sunday, monday etc. That is because the goyish day is also a random chunk of time - it goes from midnight to midnight. Who decided that a "day" ends there? Who decided that a day is 24 hours? Maybe a day is 48 hours? Maybe it goes from 7:30 to 7:30? A Jewish "day" means one segment of night followed by a segment of day, or vice versa (goyim count night first), and if the goyim would make goyish names for days as such, maybe we would prohibit it, but the goyish "day" is a totally different concept and isn’t really a "day" in the real sense of the word. Rather, it is a random chunk of time and therefore not competition with our days.

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The names of the months did come from Bavel, not from Persian gods. It is a Yerushalmi, which is where the Ramban got it from.

The Persian god thing refers specifically to the month Tamuz, "Tamuz" being the name of an avodah zorah. The name of the month did not come from non-Jewish sources, but rather that particular month is subject to the tumah related to the avodah zorah worship of the false god tamuz, which we have to transform during that month. But the names of the months, including Tamuz, are of Jewish origin, as Chazal say.

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Neither "rattails" or stylish haircuts are chukas hagoyim. The reason is, these styles were originated by Jews (non religious) as well as by Goyim, and chukas akum is something originated by goyim and copied by Jews.

But it is definitely frowned upon to copy the behavior of the goyim and non-religious Jews even though there is no violation of chukas akum for it.

Religious type styles would still fall under chukas akum, such as the Krishna side-pony tail, and such. Otherwise, you would have to see whether the design started with Jews and Goyim together or just Goyim.

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Any clothing of the Goyim that has an element of Pritzus - even a small element - is prohibited under Chukas Akum.

There are those who say that even if the clothing of the Goyim are as Tzniusdik as Jewish clothing, we still have to wear some article of clothing that shows that we are Jews.

There are others who say that even if there is no element of Pritzus, as long as we got the idea to wear it from the Goyim, it is prohibited. It would be permitted if we decided on our own to wear it, independent of the fact that the Goyim do.

If the Jews in a certain place unfortunately ended up wearing clothing of the non-Jews, there are those who hold that although it came about in a prohibited fashion, now that the Jews are wearing that clothing it becomes permitted to someone who moves into that place to wear that clothing, since now it is the clothing of the Jews.

Wearing a Yarlmuka, for instance, even though it may have originated as a Chumrah, nowadays, since it distinguishes Jews from Goyim, there are those who say it becomes prohibited Min haTorah not to wear it.

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Peroxiding your hair is certainly frowned upon from a Torah perspective, but is not Halachicly prohibited. The reason it would not fall into the category of Chukas Akum is that, being neither a religious nor promiscuous practice of the Goyim, the only category of chukas akum it could fall under is “minhag shtus shel’hem” – senseless behaviors of the goyim. But that wouldn’t be the case here, since it was not exclusively Goyim that developed the practice of peroxiding hair, but the entire general population, including its non-religious, assimilated Jews (proportionate to their population). Since this is not an exclusively non-Jewish minhag shtus, but one that is jointly Goyish and non-religious-Jewish, we cannot prohibit it as Chukas Akum.

However, it is certainly frowned upon and discouraged from a Torah perspective, to imitate the senseless behavior of the combination Goyim and non-religious Jews, even if not a violation of Chukas Akum.

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It doesn't say all red clothing is chukas akum. It gives an example of Jews changing from white shoelaces - which was customary for Jews to wear - to red ones, which was customary for non-Jews.

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Sunday, August 06, 2006

Moshav Leitzim II: Advice

You may not have learnt these Halachos because your teachers feel that the students have to grow step by step and not demand of themselves everything at once, which of course is correct.

DON'T DEMAND PERFECTION of yourself. These Halachos should be your goals, your target. You should put in an effort, but don't demand or expect success immediately.

The fact that you do Aveiros does not mean you can't live your life, it means you are LIVING life. Life is a struggle. And the posuk says "Sheva yipol tzadik v'kom" - The Tzadik falls seven times before he is able to stand. So if you try to stand but fall, and try again but fall, etc., you are on your way to becoming a Tzadik. Because all a Tzadik can do is put in the effort. Please refer to the letter of Rav Hutner that was excerpted in the "Self Esteem" forum. Please get a copy of it and keep it in your purse. Whenever you feel like you've fallen, take it out and review it.

It's part of the Yetzer horah's tactics to convince us that "I did an aveirah so how can I live with myself". That causes "atzvus," which is poison for the soul.

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Reading these books for the purpose of getting your high school diploma is not prohibited, since there is a practical and legitimate purpose in getting your HS diploma.

As far as the inappropriate material is concerned, without knowing exactly what it says, I would be doing an injustice by advising between you and your school without hearing both sides. My suggestion is that you go to whoever is the Rabbi of your school and show him exactly what it is that you find objectionable

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There is a time and a place for humility. And a time and a place for being proud. When someone else is doing something wrong and you are not, it is misplaced humility to say "Well, I cannot believe that I am doing something right and they are wrong". Such a case is the time for pride and sticking to what you know is right.

However, the fact that you do not read non-Jewish novels and others do does not mean you are frummer than them. Being frummer than them would mean all of what you do is, in the big picture, more frum than they are. One detail that you do better does not make you more frum. But regarding this detail, you are doing what is right.

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That you think "it should" be OK to go to movies as long as "it doesn't affect you", does not change the Halachah that says you cannot. It has nothing to do with whether the movie "affects you". It is prohibited under moshav letzim, which is a different law.

As far as the Yetzer Horah of wasting time goes, television can be close to addicting. To break away, or reduce your "intake", you might want to find something to replace the TV with. Perhaps spending more time with your friends, or on the computer (at something not destructive, of course), or listening to music. I know one kid who I told this to, and he spent his TV time downloading music from Napster and burning the songs onto CD's. It was like a new hobby of his, and it worked.

And please, do not assume that the TV does not affect you. The effect of TV is very subconscious. Proof: Advertisers spend sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars for a 30 second commercial, which, when you watch it, goes in one ear and out the other, and you would never think that it left in your brain a “message” to buy the product. But it did. Usually, just with a picture, a jingle perhaps, and 30 seconds of your time. And even when you go out and decide to buy the product, you may not realize that it is because of the commercial. So, too, watching hours and hours of TV affects your mind in ways that you cannot perceive at the time, and often, cannot perceive ever. But it affects you nonetheless. This is one area where even the secular world is smart enough to understand. All studies on TV, without exception, bear this out.

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It is permitted, everybody according to his level, to do what they need to relax in order to refresh themselves for Avodas Hashem.

But moshav letzim activities would still not be permitted, even under those circumstances.

As far as any individual goes, you would have to ask them why they do what they do. Without hearing their side, it would be wrong to draw any conclusions. Nobody can speak for anyone else. I can only tell you the general Halachah.

However, please understand that adults are human beings too, even "choshuver" ones, and that we are all trying to grow in our madreigas, even if we are not teenagers. Hopefully, by the time you are 20, 30, 40, you will be higher than you are now, but you will not be perfect. There will always be things you need to work on.

This will not make you a "hypocrite," it will not make you "no better than anyone else," it will make you a human being. You, "me", and I (I believe I said that correctly) are all in the same boat. Maybe some of us have a better seat, maybe some of us have been on it longer and know how to sail it better, maybe some of us are more skilled or talented at it, but all of us are struggling to go higher than we are today.

If all adults would be perfect, then we would not need them on this world anymore, because they would have finished their job here. If we are here, that means we have what to improve.

Teenagers often feel that adults have to be "perfect" to be role models. It's not true. Nobody is perfect. Adults are supposed to know more than teenagers, and try harder, and that's what makes them role models.

"Seven times the Tzadik falls and then he rises up", says Shlomo HaMelech. This shows that just because a person falls seven times does not mean he can't be a Tazdik.

So please don't fall into an "all or nothing" mode with your role models. If you expect everyone to be perfect, you will eventually be disappointed in everybody.

What you should look up at in your role models is the fact that they give their life to help people and to serve Hashem, and that they gathered up much good knowledge on the way.

Don't look for people who are perfect to be your role models. Look for people who put in the most effort. Even if they fall 7 times for each time they rise - they are the real Tzadikim.

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It's hard to break any habit, including this. Self restraint is definitely necessary.

But perhaps you could find another activity instead - such as browsing the web (obviously only places that are not worse than what you're seeing in the movies or TV) or limiting yourself to renting videos or DVDs?

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Moshav Leitzim I: Halachos

Moshav Letzim includes all kinds of organized, en masses, non-Jewish entertainment. "Theaters" is actually the word used in the Gemora.

Spending much time hanging out in the street with your friends doing nothing is also in this category (Rabbeinu Yoah, Avos III,Meiri, Tehillim 1 it is).

Watching a movie by yourself in your home is not in this category.

The thing about Moshav Letzim is that it is not only bittul Torah for the present, but it is an organized activity, part of a culture maybe, such that it encourages you to repeat the behavior, as opposed to just being a one-time thing (Maharsha Shabbos 116b).

This has nothing to do with being encouraged to do what the people in the movies do. The movie's influence is another issue altogether. Though don't be too sure that you are not influenced. Studies show that such influence is not noticeable by the one being influenced. It is often subtle and less than totally conscious.

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The halachah applies to everyone equally.

Television certainly is assur. It would fall under the category of al tashken b'ahalechah avlah, which would prohibit you having it in your home, and sifrei cheshek, which would prohibit you form watching. It's really quite simple.

As far as a new BT is concerned, the Halachah applies to him as much as anyone else. If, however, he cannot fulfill all the halachos at once, then he cannot. But he must try, as do we all, to fulfill all of them all the time. What we are willing to do, and sometimes even what we are capable of doing, is a different story.

That story is the issue of Nisayon, not Halachah. Nisayon means that what for me is perhaps an easy nisayon may for someone else be a very difficult one. And the level of righteousness and villainy that we are on depends on our efforts, not our successes. So if lets say for me eating in McDonalds is not a Nisayon, I am not a Tzadik for not eating there but I'd be a big avaryan if I did (since it was so easy for me not to), for someone else, for whom McDonalds is a major Nisayon, he would be a big Tzadik for not eating there and not nearly as big an avaryan as me if he would.

But for both of us, McDonalds is assur. 100%.

It's like let’s say mugging someone. If someone mugs someone for a nickel, for the fun of it, or if you’re a millionaire and you mug someone for a few dollars, you're a much bigger rasha than if you no money and a family to feed, and were brought up in a criminal environment. But mugging someone is a crime in both cases.

It's just that one is a more hideous crime and deserving of much greater punishment. Both people would be found guilty but the sentencing would be much different.

So too the halachah is equally binding on everyone --- guilty is guilty. But then there is the sentencing. How much do you get punished for your aveirah? And how much do you get rewarded for your mitzvah? How big a rasha are you for violating this halachah this time and in this place, and how big a tzadik are you for resisting?

The answer to that is, l'fum tzaarah agrah.

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We cannot exempt women from the prohibition of moshav letzim even though they are not obligated to learn Torah. There are two ideas to the statement in the posuk:

(1) You may not be involved in organized unproductive activity (moshav letzim),

(2) but rather it would be better for you if you would be learning Torah, which is the most productive activity possible.

Even though, for women, Torah is not necessarily the most productive activity, that is only because they have other Mitzvos to do that are more obligatory for them than Torah.

The point of the prohibition is not to learn Torah, but rather to involve yourself in productive activity and not moshav letzim. The posuk gave what is generally the most productive activity possible, i.e. Torah learning. If someone is not obligated to learn, they still have what is to them productive activity (mitzvos) and therefore have no reason to exempt themselves from "unproductive activity" (moshav letzim).

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The Shulchan Aruch Hilchos Shabbos 307:16 states that non-Jewish literature is prohibited under Moshav Letzim, or Al tifnu.

Yes, you could be doing a lot worse. But if behavior could be justified by virtue of the fact that you could be doing worse, we'd all be in trouble.

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The heter to read non-torah books in the first place is to give you relaxation from your learning and Avodas Hashem. If by doing so you are, instead of refreshing yourself for Torah learning, rather attracting yourself to more bitul torah, that is prohibited as described above.

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Tosfos in Shabbos (116b) quotes the Ri saying that secular literature (i.e. books about wars) should not be permitted even on the weekdays, because of Moshav Letzim. The Maharsha explains that since draws you to read more, it therefore will cause you to be mevatel Torah (even beyond what you need for relaxation). Any type of leisure activity that has an enticing, or habit forming effect, such as "books of wars" are included in Moshav Letzim, even though you are doing it privately.

It would seem that Moshav Letzim includes both group sessions of Bitul Torah, and also behavior which is characteristic of Letzim, even if done privately. Letzim are those who do not care about Torah, and therefore, someone who willingly engages in activity that not only involves not learning, but will enhance his Yezter Horah for bitul Torah in the future, is a Letz.

As for "al tifnu", there is a disagreement in the poskim whether this applies to items made for avodah zarah. Tosfos (Shabbos 149a), followed by the Shach (YD 142:32) rules that this applies only to art and the like made for avodah zarah. A different Tosfos (Avodah Zarah 50a) says that even images not made for Avodah Zarah are prohibited. The Meiri (Shabbos 149) explains that any images that have a habit forming effect are prohibited (similar to the Moshav Letzim, above).

Tosfos Rid (Shabbos ibid) writes that any "davar rik" would qualify as "elilim".

It is debatable whether the Shulchan Aruch meant that al tifnu applies to everything he listed including "books of wars" or merely the sifrei cheshek.

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Sichos chulin and sifrei milchamos - empty writings (prose and parables and such) and stories of wars and the like - are prohibited as per Shulchan Aruch OH 307:16, as being Moshav leitzim. This is if there is nothing productive to learn from them. Science books and books of chachmah are prohibited to learn regularly, even by yourself (certainly in class) but permitted to read occasionally, as per Shulchan Aruch (Ramah) YD 246:4.

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If a supposedly Jewish book does not teach any Torah values or mussar, then it is the same as any Goyishe (albeit clean) book. Taking a totally secular story and changing the names of the characters from Bob to Avrohom Yeshaya or from Felina to Fraida does not change the status of the book.

It can be argued that it even makes it worse, since its Jewish "identity" will mislead people into thinking that it is something more than just a waste of time piece of literature. That is true especially if they sell it in Seforim stores.

Jewish novels, assuming they do not teach any torah or mussar, are subject to the same laws of bitul torah and moshav letzim as any other novels. There is zero reason to call them Jewish. They are no better than the "sifrei milchmos" discussed on Frumteens and in Shulchan Aruch OH 307.

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Movies (theaters) are Moshav Letzim, which is an "advanced" form of Bitul Torah, with different Halachos. Board games would be permitted for recreational purposes, each individual according to his needs, in accordance with the laws of Talmud Torah.

Moshav letzim, a collective, group activity, goes beyond the regular restriction of Talmud Torah and becomes a new prohibition which is not permitted even where plain recreational activities would be.

Since the reason theaters are prohibited is because of Moshav Letzim, which means a purposeless gathering of people and Bitul Torah, it would not make a difference if the show was live or video. Based on the Halachah, theaters are therefore prohibited, then and now.

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As to why sitting in a theater is included in moshav letzim, you need to look at the rest of the posuk:

"Fortunate are those who do not sit in a Moshav letzim, but rather desire G-d's Torah."

The posuk is saying that the fortunate ones - the ones that we have to be - are those who, instead of sitting in Moshav Letzim, learn Torah. There is no in between in theis posuk. It is either Moshav Letzim, or learning Torah.

Thus, the Mishna in Avos (ch. 5) declares: "If two people are sitting together and they do not speak Torah, they constitute a Moshav Letzim."

The reason why simple wasting of time would be described as "Moshav Letzim," which means, as you put it "session of scorners" is discussed in the Meforshim. Basically, all explanations go in one direction. The Chosid Yaavetz explains it as follows:

If I showed you a pile of gold coins and gave you one hour to collect as much as you can - whatever you gather you can keep - you surely would not waste your time.

If you do waste even part of your time, it surely says something about how little you value the coins. In fact, it's kind of like slapping the coins in the face.

So too we have one lifetime to learn Torah. If we waste our time, it shows how little we value Torah. Someone who displays such blatant disregard for the value of Torah is a "scorner".

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It seems to me that it would still be prohibited to go to a theater for business or dates. Theaters are listed explicitly in the Gemora as prohibited, and so we can’t decide on our own that with a certain measure of reduction of emotional involvement it would be permitted.

It’s the same with camp or school.

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Although there is no prohibition per se against "watching a movie" (but rather it is the theater that is prohibited) that is only if the content of the movie is Kosher. Unfortunately, that is often not the case, especially with today's movies. Even if the standards of modesty are merely as bad as that on the street (usually they are worse), the movie is still worse because at least on the street you can try to ignore and not look at the immodesty as much as you can. Watching a movie while ignoring what's on the screen doesn't work.

At least at a ballgame, the players, the behavior, and the general theme are innocent.

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TV is worse than non-jewish music. The reason is because it is visual besides audio and therefore makes a much greater impression than just the divrei nevalah of CD's.

Also, TV tells stories besides showing filth that affects your perception of reality. People's behaviors and perceptions are very affected by what they see on TV.

The Sefer HaIkarim writes that when Hashem told Moshe Rabbeinu that the Jews were worshiping the egel, he was surely upset, but when he actually SAW it - when he had the visual impression as well - only then was he so upset that he actually smashed the luchos.

Rav Moshe Feinstein (Darash Moshe Yisro) also says this (even though in Igros Moshe it would seem otherwise, but that's not for now).

Chazal say, "Aino domeh shemiyah l'r'iyah" - hearing cannot be compared to seeing.

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Playing sports is of course not prohibited, and if the school feels that organizing games with family and friends as spectators it’s good for the families and for the kids themselves, I see a legitimate argument that can be made for permitting it. It would be up to the individual discretion of the rabbi of the particular people involved, who knows of their needs and motives for doing this.

Ballgames and movies are no difference as far as Moshav letzim is concerned. But there are probably great differences when you consider the content of the movie itself.

For one place that has a lot of broad information on Moshav letzim, see Responsa Vayivorech Dovid by R. Yisroel Dovid Harfenes, II:170.

As far as sporting events go, that's the conversation I had a conversation with Rav Schwab about that. Sporting events should also be prohibited under "theaters", but that is something that most children - and perhaps even adults, but especially children - will have a very difficult time accepting. So his recommendation was that we should not force our children not to go to sporting events, we should rather focus on educating them, building up their madreigah so that they will be willing on their own not to be involved in these events.

I guess it's kind of similar to loshon horah that is so widespread, we have to build ourselves up to where we can refrain from it. Not everyone can handle everything cold turkey.

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The prohibition of going to circuses would be Moshav Letzim, which prohibits theaters, as per Gemora Avodah Zarah 18b

Amusement parks are not Moshav Letzim - it must be a group of people involved with each other, such as a theater.

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#1 - Much non-Jewish music today is prohibited under the category of "divrei cheshek"

#2 - Music is worse than poetry. Music has a much greater impact.

#3 - Goyish poetry may be prohibited under the "sifrei milchamos" category. Depends. See Shulchan Aruch OH 307:16.

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Sunday, July 30, 2006

Goyim III

[Note: I'm sorry for interrupting the order, I missed this -taon]


The Rambam in Igeres Taimon writes that internally, the Goyim are jealous of the Jews because we got the Torah. The Kli Yakar writes the Esav is jealous of us because he believes Yaakov took the Brachos from him; and Yishmael is jealous of us because he believes Yitzchok took his.

However, this doesn’t mean that the Goyim are always going to kill us. Chazal have told us that anti-semitism depends largely on our actions, especially in Golus. Because the cause of anti-semitism is jealousy, it is important for us not to flaunt our faces in Golus. We have to keep a low profile, not get the Goyim angry at us, and not do anything that causes waves in the Goyish world.

The Gemora says that G-d made the Jews swear that they would not defy the Goyim while we are still in Golus. The more we try to show the goyim we are strong, the more they will respond by killing us. It's like encountering a grizzly bear - the more he thinks you’re a threat, or even a possible threat, he will fight. But if you stand still and not move at all, and even play dead, he will hopefully go away. (This doesn't mean that the bear will always not bother you if you play dead, but it is your best hope for survival).

So too, Jews in Golus are much weaker than our enemies. We are like one sheep surrounded by 70 wolves. The only chance of survival for the sheep is to make sure the wolves don’t notice him. As Rav Elchonon Wasserman put it:

The less the Goyim think about us and notice us, the safer we will be; the more we are high-profile and in the attention of the Goyim, the less safe we will be.

The Kil Yakar writes that we shouldn't even flaunt our wealth in public because of this - we do not want the Goyim to pay attention to us. But a million times more so, we are not allowed to stand up to the nations of the world, defying their wishes. The Gemora says if we do, the goyim will hunt us down like animals.

Rav Shach writes that when Israel defies international law by making territories or when they say to America (or the nations in general) we don’t care what you say we will do what we want, that causes anti-semitism, and danger for Jews all over the world.

When Israel is on conflict with the Arabs, it causes anti-semitism all over the world; when oil prices go up because of Israel, that causes the Goyim all over the world to talk about how it is the fault of the Jews and it puts us all in danger.

This principle is called "hisgarus b'umos" - defying the nations - and when it happens r"l Jews all over the world are in danger.

He writes, when Israel defiantly states to the world "Jerusalem is ours!" that constitutes Hisgarus B'Umos - it gets the nations angry at us (Jerusalem is ours, he says, regardless of who physically owns it. When Moshaich comes, everything will be returned to us anyway); when Israel makes settlements, against the wishes of the world, that constitutes hisgarus b'umos.

Rav Elchonon Wasserman ZTL writes in Ikvesa D'Meshichah that boycotts, protests, and such "civil disobedience" against nations of the world constitutes hisgarus b'umos and only causes the Jews to be put in more danger.

It is one of the worst and most dangerous mistakes that unlearned Jews make, when they think that in order to get the Goyim to leave us alone, we have to "show them that we are strong", or pressure them, or stand firmly against their wishes.

All this, in Golus, does not work. It is like a sheep trying to show the wolves that he is strong. It's only going to get him killed r"l.

When an armed mugger comes to mug you, unless you are 100% sure that you can disarm and overpower him, you would be stupid to do anything except give him what he wants, even if it is your last penny.

The goyim, in Golus, are stronger than us. Being mugged for 2,000 years is certainly not fun; but the only reason we have survived so miraculously is because we have listened to the words of our Torah and NOT rebelled against the Goyim.

This that Jews did not "stand up" for themselves with force of arms for 2,000 years was not out of weakness or inability to do so, but rather a conscious decision by our Gedolim in order to help us survive.

We are not the same as the Goyim. Using force in Golus works for them; not for us. If we go up against them, we will surely lose.

But the Jewish nation has survived longer than all the ancient nations who were bigger and stronger than them. By all calculations, we should have died out long ago; the thing that allowed us to survive golus was Hashem's guarantee, aided by our following His "survival instructions". Namely, DO NOT STAND UP AGAINST THE GOYIM IN GOLUS.

The Seforno says that even though Esav was running after Yaakov to kill him, Yaakov did not fight him, but rather bowed to Esav 7 times, and called him "master." This is a lesson, he writes, on how the Jews should act in Golus when confronted with anti-semitism.

Like a grizzly bear, I guess - he growls and growls - your only chance is to act innocent, vulnerable, and play dead - and that is your best chance for him to change his mond and leave you alone.

Like Esav changed his mind and didn’t try to kill Yaakov.

He continues, had the Baryonim made peace with the Romans during the second Bais Hamikdash, instead of trying to stand up to them, the Bais HaMikdash would not have been destroyed. And the same thing during the first Bais HaMikdosh.

So the first rule is, when Israel is defying the nations and instead of submitting to them, they try to show how strong they are, that will surely arouse vicious anti-semitism.

Second, you can't walk into Harlem, screaming racial slurs and when they come out to beat you up, claim they are anti-semites. Not everything that Israel is doing is legal or moral or right. They do not follow the Torah, and so they are not better than any other secular nation - France, China, or India - and when they do bad things, the goyim who anyway harbor their hostilities toward us, now have a big excuse to attack us. As Rav Elchonon said: The more we are in the spotlight of the Goyim, the more dangerous it is for us.

And that is talking even when the Jews aren't doing anything wrong. But if they are in the international spotlight - the biggest news in the world - and they do indeed do bad things - we need to tremble at the danger they have put us in.

And the second biggest mistake people make is thinking, well, if America can do so-and-so, so can Israel.

No, they can't. America is not in Golus. Jews are. The rules are different for us. That's hard to swallow, but remember that if there is any favoritism played here - it is surely for the Jews and not against them. For regardless of how much we have been persecuted, we have still been better preserved than every single ancient nation that persecuted us. They are gone, and we are here.

And that's because for 2,000 years we've not fought the Goyim.

Like the sheep who smartly won't fight the wolves. He may get bitten up, but as soon as he gets into a fight with them, he's dead.

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Thursday, July 27, 2006

Goyim II

Humanity is determined by the soul, not the body, and although two people may have the same body, what makes you say they have the same soul?

The problem is, without G-d to tell you, you have no way of determining even what a soul looks like, never mind how "valuable" it is.

But you, without any rhyme or reason, take the position that that homo sapiens have a more valuable "humanity" than other beings on this earth, yet within the biological species "homo sapien", all are equal.

Maybe, maybe not. But what logic is there in saying that a certain biological species is more holy than any other? And that beings with the same body have the same soul. Which of course, is nowhere near logical, but you have nothing better to offer.

And such a position is of course, totally illogical when you consider that "humanity", without G-d, is no greater or more valuable than any other form of life on this planet.

After all, we are all mere evolutionary accidents, aren't we?

You can counter that all people's "humanity" is equal. But how do you define humanity? Why do you say that the species of humans are all equal, but the species of humans are more important than other species in the world?

It's nice that you, as a human, are protecting all others of your particular evolutionary stage, while at the same time being willing to kill, main, and annihilate monkeys, let's say, and other animals for food and clothes because - why? - they are unfortunately not yet as "evolved" as you?

Why is humanity defined by intelligence or body shape and size, which is the only difference between homo sapien and monkey and dog and cow? What is special about being "human" altogether, if we are all evolved out of the same pond slime? What right do you have to lord it over other of G-d's creatures, other than you have more strength than they do?

Without G-d, you are nothing but an accident of evolution, a bunch of chemicals thrown together and accidentally attaining brain activity.

Yet you decided, for some reason, that if beings walk on two feet and are not hairy like apes, that gives them the right to kill and eat and wear the skins of beings that are hairy and swing from trees.

And that makes sense to you?

And check this out: Who is more human: A mentally retarded baby or a chimpanzee, in a case where the chimpanzee has more so-called intelligence than the baby? Which would you kill to save which?

So what makes humans "human"? And what gives them "value" more than animals?

The answer is, their soul. And G-d, the Maker of Souls tells us that a human life is higher than an animal life. But according to atheism, there is no logical reason for that to be so. And, how do you know that all homo sapiens share the same soul? And what makes you think that their soul is more valuable then that of animals?

And what makes you think they have a soul in the first place?

So it was decided, randomly and without any logical reason, that certain biological features indicate value of the organism's soul. With this criterion they decide which beings should live, which may die, and which are more valuable than which.

That’s what makes no sense. What does make sense is that these criteria should be determined by G-d, the Creator of Souls, Who informs us through His Torah of where humanity is, what value it has, and when.

Someone who decided it is moral to determine the value of a being's soul based on its physical characteristics, tells Hashem that He has no right to determine value of souls based on His own knowledge of them? Does that make any sense? He's guilty of the biggest hypocrisy possible: Telling G-d that he has no right to do something that he himself does every day.

People themselves have created standards for whose soul is higher than whose, based on physical attributes and species classifications. That, you must admit, is plain bigotry. Yet you do not allow Hashem to enlighten us as to what the real soul-substance of a living being is?

Who else BUT G-d can determine this? Where does any person get the gall to decide, based on physical attributes that one soul is more valuable than another?

Please. Give us something better than this.


Aside from all this, is the fact that any non-Jew has the choice to become a Jew is he so chooses, and evil Jews, who do not fulfill the word of G-d have souls as low, or lower even, than an animal life form, so people are in total control of their status in this world.

I always wondered: A Kohen gets saved before a Levi; a Live before a Yisroel; and a Jew before an Akum. Nut nobody ever accuses Kohanim of being racist, since they are fully aware of the philosophical acceptability of such a concept. Yet the Halachah that a man gets saved before a woman, or a Jew before an Akum, bothers some people. This shows the influence of societal standards on this outlook, rather than objective reasoning.

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When Hashem created the world, He knew that one day some time in the future, Goy so-and-so will be in danger, and that Yid so-and-so will be able to save him, and still He said not to save him because it is Shabbos, and we can’t be mechalel Shabbos to save a non-jew.

Everyone has a “time” when his or her time in this world is up. Hashem was the one Who put that person in danger. He could have put him in danger on a weekday, or he could have arranged a way to save him without being mechalel Shabbos. Or He could have arranged for a Goy to be able to save him, instead of a Yid. If Hashem arranged a situation that someone is dying and the only way to save him is against the Halachah, that means that that person’s time in this world is up. It’s his turn to leave the world, according to Hashem’s plan.

Hashem has a plan for the world. Mostly, Hashem controls the plan Himself, making things happen the way He wants. But only “mostly”. He also gave us, human beings who posses bechirah, the privilege of being partners with Him in the running of His world. He said to us, “The world has a destiny. Every blade of grass, every human being, every snow capped mountain. And you and I, hand-in-hand, are going to make this destiny happen. I will do my part, and for you, here is the Halachah – that’s your part. This is how I want My world to run. You have the ability to help me fulfill My plan, as well as the ability to thwart My plan. As human beings created in the Image of G-d, that is your privilege. And your responsibility.”

If the Halachah says that your hamburger must be thrown out because it was cooked in a milchig broiler, then the will of Hashem is that that hamburger not be eaten by you. It is as if Hashem said to you explicitly, “That hamburger is not meant for you.”

And it’s not merely “as if”. That is precisely what the Halachah is. The Halachah is a revelation of the will of G-d as He planned for each generation. And not just for each generation. For each individual in each generation, every day and under every single circumstance of his life. All wrapped up in this marvelous document called the Shulchan Aruch. Only Hashem could do that: create one set of rules that will apply everywhere, every time, every place, each according to an individual set of circumstances He always knows what he wants done in any given situation – because He created both the Law and the situation.

Imagine if you were in Shamayim with Hashem, and you witnessed a car accident. The car and its occupants are teetering over the edge of a bridge. The family in the car is scared stiff, trying not to move even a drop, lest they disrupt the delicate balance of the vehicle and plunge downward to certain death. You instinctively reach out to save them, but Hashem stops you. “No,” He says. “Their time has come to die.” Only a fool would defy G-d’s plan and save them anyway.

And that is exactly what is happening when you want to save someone and the Halachah says “no.” Hashem is saying “No. Don’t save them. Their time is up.” And if you rebel against Hashem, if you save them anyway, you are interfering with His will, with His very plan for the world.

It could be, that maybe a thousand years ago a little Yiddele went up to Shamayim after 120 years, and on judgment day Hashem shows him all the horrors of Hitler’s holocaust. An accusatory voice bellows: “You did this! You killed six million Jews!”.

“What?! It’s not true!” the defendant says. “You’re lying. I couldn’t do that. Hitler doesn’t even exist for another thousand years. What does this have to do with me?”

Then they show him a recording of himself one Shabbos, years ago, where a Goy was in danger, maybe a close friend of his, and, against the Halachah, he was mechalel Shabbos to save him.

“Did you save this man?” he is asked.

“Yes, I am guilty of that, but what does that have to do with the holocaust?”

“That man was supposed to die there and then,” the tribunal answers. Because of you, he lived. That man was the great-grandfather of Adolph Hitler. Hitler was never supposed to have been born. Six million Jews were never supposed to die. Had you listened to Hashem, none of this would have happened.”

And this was the story of how Haman was born – because King Shaul refused to kill Agag, King of Amalek.

Imagine: Hashem tells the water, “Create a flood. In this-and-this place. These four people are to die. These six others are to be injured. That is part of the destiny of the world.”

But the wind answers: “No. I refuse. I don’t want those people dead.”

Of course, that cannot happen. Nothing can rebel against Hashem.

Or rather, almost nothing. The Shulchan Aruch is a Force of Nature. We, the Jews, were given the job to make the Shulchan Aruch work. The only difference between us and the Angel of Water, is that we do have the ability to be stupid enough to thwart Hashem’s plan.

People die every day. Entire nations go extinct. Nobody has a problem with that, because they know that’s nature, that’s the world, that’s destiny. What you need to understand is that Hashem runs the world through the Shulchan Aruch as well, and we Jews are guardians of His plan. Hashem could destroy Amalek with a flood, with an earthquake, or with a volcano. But He chose a different way. It’s up to us to carry it out.

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The only heter for being mechalel Shabbos for an Akum is in a case where not saving the akum will cause a lethal backlash of anti-Semitism thereby endangering Jewish lives. In order to save those Jewish lives, we will be mechalel shabbos for the Akum.

As far as all life being kodesh, THAT is what it says nowhere in the Torah. The Shabbos is Kodesh.

But truthfully, that is not even the point. Here's a question for you:

If you were not a human being but a bridge. And when a certain person was walking across you, you heard G-d say to you, "collapse! Now! That person's time in your world is up, and he is destined to die now on a collapsed bridge".

Would you say back to G-d "All life is Kodosh, and therefore I refuse to collapse"?

Or would you assume that G-d Who runs the world knows best, and that life-and-death matters are best left in His hands?

Well, bridges do not have the option to rebel, since they were not given Bechirah. But human beings do. If the Halachah says, "Do NOT save the Akum,” it means that Hashem Who told us to follow Halachah is saying, "I want that person to die. Do not interfere!”

But human beings were given the ability to mess up G-d's plan if they want by interfering. They have the choice to rebel.

I wouldn't do it if I were you. You don’t know why Hashem wants that Akum to die now. But we know that He does, because that’s what the Halachah says. And the Halachah is the word of Hashem.

So it doesn’t really matter how holy life is or how valuable it is. Everyone dies, all life ends. The only question is how where and when. If the Halachah says someone must die, it means they are not meant to live any longer. You don’t mess with Hashem’s plan.

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There was once a Maskil (a bozo from the so-called "Enlightenment" movement) who approached Rav Yitzchok Elchonon Spector ZT"L with the following question:

A non-Jewish sailor who just came home after a year at sea, with one small bag of gold coins to support his family, accidentally drops the coins. The wealthiest Jew in town finds them. Since they were lost by a Goy, the Jew is allowed to keep them. In fact, unless there is a Kiddush Hashem involved, he may not return the coins!

The coins then all from the wealthy Jew's pocket, and in turn are found by a homeless, destitute Jew. The poor man is obligated to return the coins to the wealthy Jewish landowner!

"How is this fair????" the maskil asked.

Rav Yitzchok Elchonon answered, "What would you say if you saw a giant hand come out of the sky, and take that bag of coins from the Goy and give them to the wealthy Jew. Would you have a problem with that?"

His point was obvious. The Halachah represents the Will of Hashem. We just make it happen.


The reason I am able to say you can keep the money is because that is the Halachah.

Just as one may not look into a Halacha trying to find a Kulah, but rather, one must analyze the halachah objectively, so too one may not look into the halachah to find a chumrah but must analyze it objectively.

Of course three dollars is a small price to pay for a Kiddush Hashem, however, that does not mean that you’re obligated Halachicly to return the money, and that too, is part of the answer.

The reliability of the kulos depends on (a) whether they exist at all and (b) their strength in cases where they do exist. In the areas of Tznius and Kashrus - and all other areas - where the Halachha is "ossur", you must say so; and when the Halachah is "mutar" you must say so too. And just because the Torah says "assur" when it comes to girls and boys being friends, does NOT mean the Torah automatically says "assur" when it comes to returning three dollars to the cashier. We have no right to demand that the Torah rule one way or the other, and we have no right to demand that the Torah be prohibitive or permissive in one area because it is so in another, unrelated one.

So the Halachah remains that Taos Akum is muttar, and boys being friends with girls is assur. If someone has a problem with that, go bother Hashem; don't kill the messenger.

It is an assimilationist attitude that says, well, if the Torah is so "religious" when it comes to boys and girls, then surely it should be equally "religious" when it comes to other people's money.

As far as our Gedolim, their standards of Halachah in instances when they went beyond the letter of the law, lifnei meshuras hadin, were equal to their standards of Halachah in all other areas of Torah as well. That level of Yiras Shamayim is part of what made them Gedolim. And if the question is, what would a great Yorei Shamayim do in such a case, the answer is clear. However, if the question is, what is the Halachah in this case? The answer is often different.

The Chofetz Chaim ran after a robber who stole his money forgiving him, because he (the Chofetz Chaim) did not want to be involved in a sin even as the victim.

But if someone would ask if they are obligated to do that, the answer is obviously no.

It is wonderful to emulate our Gedolim; nobody is questioning that. And it is definitely a wise decision to spend money that is halachicly yours and use it to make a Kiddush Hashem; nobody is questioning that. But that does not mean the money is not rightfully yours. And if someone asks, we must answer them honestly.

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The Mitzvah to wipe out Amalek does apply nowadays.
The difference between what Hitler did to us vs. what we do to Amalek is that they are opposites. Hashem’s message to Hitler, through the seven Mitzvos of Bnei Noach was, “The Jews’ time is not up yet. I want them to live.” Hitler ruined Hashem’s plan. Hashem’s message to us is, “Amalek’s time is up. That’s the way the way the world works. If you don’t do My work here, it won’t get done.”

Dina DMalchusa only applies, according to the majority of Poskim, to issues between you and the government, such as taxes and the like. But the government cannot tell us what to do between ourselves. The issue is not Chilul Hashem but Aivah here - if the "olam" finds out that Jews fulfill the mitzvah of Mechiyas Amalek it will be a sakanah for Jews. If there is therefore a chance of people finding out, it would be prohibited. Also, it’s a Sakana for the Yid himself if he is discovered by the authorities.
R. Eliyahu Levine, in a Sefer called "Divrei Shirah" on Purim, says that the result of Sancherev's mixing up of the nations is not that we do not know people’s lineage, but rather once the nations are "mixed up" they no longer are considered "nations" -- the identity of a "nation" is, by definition, a homogeneous group of people.

This would negate Halachos such as killing the 7 nations, since they are no longer 7 "nations". However, with regard to Amalek, the determining factor, as the Rambam indicates in Sefer HaMitzvos, is not that they are part of the "nation" of Amalek, but rather that they are of the "genealogy" of Amalek. And even though the "nation" no longer exists, but their genealogical connection to Amalek and Esav still does exist. So the Mitzvah is still in effect.

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You should give your money to where Hashem said it is a Mitzvah to give. Here's how this works:

Hashem created these situations where people need money - the third world countries, and, let's say, Yeshiva Beth Medrash Govoha of Lakewood and its Kollel of a few thousand people.

He also established ways for each of those causes to receive whatever money they were supposed to receive.

Hashem gave you some money, and left you with instructions where to give it.

Hashem said it is a mitzvah to give your money to BMG, and it is not a Mitzvah to give your money to third world countries.

This means that Hashem relied on you for the source for funds to Lakewood Yeshiva, and that Hashem has already allocated funds from other sources for the third world countries.

So if you do give to the third world countries, the money that Lakewood should have had, they will never have, since you gave it to someone else, and the third world countries will NOT BENEFIT ANYWAY since Hashem already decided to give them X amount of money from other places, and so if you give them money, Hashem will just have to prevent them from getting the funding from the other sources, since he wanted them to get only a certain amount of money and not more.

In other words, Hashem did not recruit you to take care of Bangladesh. He does that Himself. Hashem recruited you to take care of the Kollel guys in Lakewood. That’s the job He gave you.

All Hashem wants us to do is follow His instructions. Then things will work out fine, since He knows best. But if we decide that we know better where to give our money than Hashem said we should, we're just messing up the whole Grand Plan.

Note: We do give a minimum amount of money to Akum causes, for the sake of Darchei Sholom - meaning, for the sake of living in peace with the rest of the world, but this means for our sake, not the sake of the Bangladeshis, who Hashem will take care of as He planned.

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Goyim

Being a member of "Israel" means to accept the obligations and the responsibilities that G-d expressed in His Torah. Any non-Jew of any ethnicity can accept them if he so chooses.

Those who are born into this responsibility have already accepted the obligations when their souls were standing on Mt. Sinai, about, 3314 years ago {at the time this was originally written, of course}.

Those who didn't accept it then can accept it anytime they choose.

Upon acceptance of those responsibilities you acquire the spiritual tools necessary to fulfill your mission - the same way any soldier is given the right weapons to do his assigned task. Those tools include the Jewish soul, and the potential for the rewards the Children of Israel receive for fulfilling the Mitzvos.

Just as you cannot get a medal of honor unless you serve in the army, and agree to accept all the responsibilities and obligations that that entails, so too you cannot get the reward of Bnei Israel unless you agree to take on the responsibilities of the Torah.

Note: Regardless of whether someone is called "Israel", they are still given a "mission" by G-d, that is, to fulfill the seven Noachide Laws. Everyone's a soldier, Jewish or not.

Hashem asked the Goyim if they want to be Jews and they refused. They had - and still have, actually, the ability to be the favorite and they refuse.

Goyim have the 7 Mitzvos of Bnei Noach, but that does not give them the same status as a Jew who does the 613. There is a Machlokes what the status of the Goyim will be when Moshiach comes, but everyone agrees they will not merit the same eternal reward that the Jews will.

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As a Bain Adam L'Makom analogy, Goyim are not commanded against worshiping shituf - a form of idolatry where you believe that Hashem has some "partner" in power. To be sure, that does not mean that belief in Shituf is anything but idol worship. But it's not an aveirah for the Goyim to worship idols in this fashion.

So, too, holiness is holiness. It’s just that they are not commanded to be holy in many ways.

The "complaint", therefore, is that these people and this lifestyle are, well, disgusting. The fact that being disgusting is not an aveirah is a different issue.

That having been said, there is, besides the seven Mitzvos Bnei Noach, moral obligations that come from our understanding and decency as human beings, beyond that which the Torah commands. And so Chazal say, even if Hashem would not have commanded us in modesty, we would have leaned it from the dove. To the nations, who are not commanded in modesty, the lessons of nature still apply. This does not mean that Goyim have to cover their elbows, but it does mean that a freewheeling, anything-goes attitude toward morals is indeed disgusting.

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Goyim, like everyone, are morally obligated to seek the truth. A Tinok shenishba is someone who is taught the wrong truth. And so a go can also be a tonik shenishbah.

But Ohr Lagoyim does not mean to teach the goyim Torah. That is not our obligation. It means being a source of truth if they want to access it, and teaching by example. Teaching Torah to the goyim is not priority - we have more than a lifetime to do with our primary obligations, i.e. teaching Torah to the Jews and doing Mitzvos.

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The purpose of Akum is not to serve us, but rather to play the same type of roll that all other creations in the world play in Olam Hazeh - background players whose actions and fate are all designed by Hashem to assist the Divine Plan for the world to come to fruition. That is, the success of the Am Yisroel in sanctifying themselves and the entire world, thereby causing the coming of Moshiach and Olam Habah.

That is indeed a noble reason to be created.

Goyim also have a spiritual mission in this world, though not like the Jews. Their "urges" come from that need, but they are not the same as those of the Jews.

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The Avos didn't have geirim, only Avrohom did. Yitzchok, for instance, only had ONE student: Yaakov Avinu.

And incidentally, the gerim that Avrohom made all went off the derech, the Rambam says. Otherwise, the vast majority of Jews today would not be descendants of Avrohom but of the Geirim, since there were lots of Geirim and only one Avrohom.

But Avrohom only did that before the Torah was given. There was no Klall Yisroel then. Even Avrohom was not for sure Jewish (there is a classic Machlokes about this).

The reason we don't run after converts is that converts, unless they are self-motivated and very sincere, tend to cause problems for us and themselves, and we are not doing anyone a favor converting them if they will only end up doing Aveiros.

R. Akiva Eger writes that when Hashem went to the nations - and the future souls - asking them if they want to accept the Torah, there were those non-Jews who did want to accept it, even though they were outvoted by the vast majority of their peers.

Those souls who wanted to accept the Torah, says R. Akiva Eger, are today's Geirim.

So really, the reason why we don't go out and find people to convert is because Hashem already did it. Those who refused Him made their decision already; those who didn't will convert on their own.

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When a non-jew asks about Torah and Judaism out of curiosity, answer them politely but with as little information as possible. It is not permitted to teach Torah to Akum.
Because the vast majority of non-Jews are not interested in converting, we do not assume they are interested until we know differently.

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Everyone has a moral responsibility to reject obvious false beliefs, and Christianity is so messed up, so full of errors, mistakes and contradictions, that they should reject it. They could if they would think a little. Those who are incapable of figuring it out, are indeed not responsible. Ones rachmana patrei.

What about all the Moslems? And the pagans? And the olden day totem-pole and simple idol worshipers. There are so many clearly ridiculous religions, if Christianity is just one more it should not be surprising.

But more importantly perhaps, the Christians lack a scholarly system of scrutinizing their own texts, the way we Jews have. There’s no such thing as "iyun" by them. In fact, the Pope himself admitted not long ago that the narratives in the New testament are not meant as historical fact, but just as moral lessons. So they really don’t have a religion at all. But merely moral beliefs. But the vast majority of them don’t know that.

In other words, they have no idea what their own religion says, never mind if it is true or not.


If they follow the 7 Mitzvos they can't be "Christian" since Christianity violates the Noahide prohibition against idolatry.

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Christianity is a doctrine of love? Hardly. Anti-semitism comes completely and totally from their so-called doctrine of love, which actually preaches love for those who follow their doctrine. Anti-semitism among Christians began with the canard that the Jews killed their poor little god.

Secondly, a "doctrine" isn’t merely some written word, but also the way that writing is interpreted, like our laws are interpreted by the courts, or, lehavdil, our Torah shebal peh. The Christian traditions - their authorities and their leaders - have caused hate and wanton murder throughout the generations. When we say "Don’t judge Judaism by Jews" we are NOT talking about Chazal or our leaders, c"v.

Third, unfortunately, the Christians themselves don’t agree their bad leaders were bad.. If, when encountering an evil Christian leader they would say "Don’t judge Christians by Christianity", it would be one thing - but instead, they glorify their leaders and extol them despite their evil.

The gospels record Yoshka's harassment at the hands of the Jewish leaders of his time, and in the Book of Acts states that the first Christians were persecuted by abusive Jewish groups.

There is no love for Jews preached in the New Testament; on the contrary. Here's their "doctrine of love":

"You are of your father the devil" (John 8:44) - that’s what Yoshka said to a group of Jews. The Christian commentators, including St. Bernard, assume of course, that this extends to all Jews. Not only then, but for all times. It is no surprise, therefore, that in 1941, Julius Streicher, the Nazi leader recommended "extermination of that people whose father is the devil."


Saint John Chrysotom writes:

"The synagogue is worse than a brothel ... it is a den of scoundrels and the repair of wild beasts ... the temple of demons devoted to idolatrous cults ... the refuse of brigands and debauchees, and the cavern of devils. A criminal assembly of Jews ... a place of meeting for the assassins of Christ .. a house worse than a drinking shop ... a den of thieves; a house of ill fame, a dwelling of iniquity, the refuge of devils, a gulf and abyss of perdition"

As for the Jewish people themselves, "I would say the same things about their souls...I hate the synagogue... I hate the Jews for the same reason."

Cardinal Newman described the author of that drivel as "A bright, cheerful, gentle soul, a sensitive heart, a temperament open to emotion and impulse; and all of this, elevated, refined, transformed by a touch of heaven - such a man was St. John Chrysostom"

It was the Church itself who sent Crusaders to slaughter Jews. Every type of degrading law was passed against Jews by Christians during the middle ages -- and the Church encouraged it. Jewish children were kidnapped and baptized as Christians - by the Church. They were rounded up and beaten on Easter, and the Church's attitude is that the Jews deserve it, for assassinating their Lord. "Kill a Jew and save your soul" was the motto of not the low, grubby Christian in the street, but of the holy Crusaders.

"Surely I doubt whether a Jew can be really human ... I lead out from its den a monstrous animal… Jew, thou brute beast." - Peter the Venerable, who was known as "the meekest of men, a model of Christian charity."

From Martin Luther (leader of the "reformation" of the Church):

"First, their synagogues should be set on fire ... secondly, their homes should be likewise broken down and destroyed ... Thirdly, they should be deprived of their prayer books and Talmuds ... Fourthly, their rabbis must be forbidden under threat of death to teach anymore ... Fifthly, passports and traveling privileges should be absolutely forbidden to Jews ... Sixthly, they ought to be stopped from usury ... Seventhly, let the young and strong Jews and Jewesses be given the flail, the ax, the hoe, the spade, the distaff, and spindle, and let them earn their bread by the sweat of their noses ... We ought to drive the rascally lazy bones out of our system .. Therefore away with them ... if this advice of mine does not suit you, then find a better one so that you and we may all be free of this insufferable devilish burden - the Jews."

Gerhard Kittel, a Lutheran, one of the greatest New Testament "scholars", wrote a book describing what to do about the "Jewish question." His conclusion: Let the Jews accept persecution, for that is what they deserve.

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{NOTE: This was written to a ger whose non-jewish but curious brother was being approached by a "messie"/missionary -taon}


There is of course no reason to encourage your brother to convert to Judaism - it is his decision, and he is under no obligation to do so. Not only do we not actively proselytize we bend over backwards not to.

However, Christianity is pure idolatry (never mind stupidity) and if you can, you should try to prevent him from believing it. But only do this if he will not become a total atheist if he abandons Christianity. Better an idol worshiper than an atheist.

Start by alerting him to the obvious contradictions in Christianity: Was J a descendant of King David from his father's side as is required for the Messiah? Or was he of virgin birth? See the anti-missionary information on these boards, and make him aware of the material.

It does help if you point out that you were Christian and you realized the foolishness and emptiness of the religion. Please note that it may be better to emphasize the "foolishness" of it, or it may be better to emphasize the "emptiness" of it, depending on whether your brother perceives religion more as spirituality (the "emptiness" is the way to go), or as rules and discipline ("foolishness" will make a greater impact).

Your general tone should be casual and even amused. The the one, in-a-nutshell idea to convey is that Christianity is pathetic, which means funny, but in a sad way. Don't show that you are scared - you don't want him to think that you feel threatened by his Christianity, which is what the "messie" will claim.

You must convey the idea that you are not impressed with Christianity. Like, a "Been there, done that, nah, nothing there" kind of thing.
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Idol worship: what qualifies

Moslems do believe in the right G-d (as opposed to Christians who believe in a trinity god who begets children), but have the wrong prophet and wrong teachings. But I'll give you a way out of your problem, even if you want to be a Moslem: In Islam there are no objective qualifications that prove a given person is a real prophet. In the Torah there is. So if someone gets up out of nowhere, like Mohammed did, and claims to be a prophet, there is no law in Islam that says you have to believe him, and there are no objective criteria that would enable you to test whether what he is saying is true. Therefore, according to Islamic law, there would be no obligation to believe in Mohammed’s word that he is a prophet.

I know that sounds weird, but that's Islam's problem, not mine. When you make up a religion on your own, as opposed to it coming from G-d, like Mohammed did, you've got to leave margin for human error.

Whatever distortions the Moslems inserted into the Torah to make it compatible with the teachings of mohammed (such as Akeidas Yishmael c"v, NOT Akeidas Yitzchok!) they did not change the basic concept of G-d. The Christians did, creating a trinity, which is a quantification of G-d or His aspects, which is idolatry. G-d has no "aspects" and cannot be quantified of fit into a trinity or a quadrinity in any way. G-d is totally Simple, and no aspect of being composite is present in Him. That includes "aspects." The believe G-d is measurable in this way, or His aspects are, is to attribute physicality to G-d, since quantification necessarily demands finiteness and physicality, and that is idolatry.

But when the Moslems created their religion they did not do violence to the concept of
G-d's Oneness.

The Moslems created a newfangled religion based on a fabricated prophet who never met any of the requirements to demand that he be considered a prophet, except for his sharp sword.

But as far as Hashem Himself, that they did not tamper with.

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Christianity is avoda zara because they worship a god who impregnates women, and other characteristics such as a trinity that constitutes idolatry as opposed to worshipping the real G-d.

The Rambam (Machalos Asuros 11) writes that the Christians are plain idol worshippers.

The Noda B'Yehuda writes (YD 148) that it is a common mistake to think that Goyim are not commanded against schituf. The reality is they are. The error, he says, comes from a Rama that says you are allowed to cause a non-Jew to swear to his god, since he is not swearing to an idol but just adding his idol to Hashem, meaning schituf.

But the NB"Y points out that all this means is that the Goy does NOT declare the idol to be a deity in the oath, but the belief itself that a deity shares power with G-d is really idolatry. Only the oath is permitted, since it does not express his real belief.

Other poskim concur with the Noda Beyehuda.

And although there are some poskim who do hold that Goyim are not commanded against schituf, but it doesn’t make a difference anyway, because that only means that the Goyim are not sinning for being idol worshippers, which is between them and Hashem, but as far as we are concerned, we are commanded against schituf, and that makes them idol worshippers to us (Responsa Binyan Tzion I:63).

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Sunday is not a holiday when you are forbidden to do business with idol worshipers {as they'll dedicate their earnings to their idol, and it will be partially your fault}. They used to offer sacrifices to their gods on such holidays.

When referring to the Creator of the world, you write G-d. When referring to anything else, it is god.

The Christians themselves don't really know which one they mean. Here's a story:

When Rav Elchonon Wasserman ZTL came to America, he refused to bring US currency into the bathroom, since it says "In God We Trust"!

When a Talmid of R. Elchonon, R. Tuvia Goldstein shlita, reported this to Rav Moshe Feinstein ZTL, R. Moshe disagreed. "God to them means Yoshka. When they refer to Hashem they use the word 'Lord'", he said.

So Rav Tuvia went to a priest and asked him who is right - R. Elchonon or R. Moshe - what does "god" mean to them and what does "lord" mean?

The priest had no idea. He said they don’t really think that much into it.

Ooookay. But as far as I understand, it would seem Rav Elchonon was correct here. They refer to Yoshka as the "son of G-d" - implying that G-d means the Creator, and they have "The Lord's Prayer", Lord in that context referring to Yoshka.

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You are allowed to do business with idol worshipers.

1) We may not do business with them 3 days before their holidays since they will use our business to thank their idols - which does not apply nowadays since they don't have such holidays today.

2) You cannot do business with them that will bring them to swear in the name of their idol. The Rama, however, permits this, and we follow him.

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Any act of Avodah Zarah that a Jew gets Misah for, a Goy gets Misah for as well. However, even for "minor" Avodah Zarah - meaning, that Jews would not be chayav misah for, such as planting an Asheira, they are still prohibited to do even though they do not get Misah.
Being a "light" to the Nations doesn’t mean were responsible for what they do. It means to set an example. If they choose to emulate us, that’s their choice. If they decide to worship a god that impregnated married women and has a "family" despite what we have shown them, that's also their choice.

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You can't walk 4 Amos (about 2.4 meters) within the entrance of a church "tikrav el pesach beisah", and there are numerous reasons for it, including but not limited to that it is a show of respect for Hashem that we refuse to go near the meeting places of His enemies.
Also, there is a prohibition of increasing your Yetzer Horah even if you believe you are strong enough to resist. You never know.

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